theres a famous radio "psychologist" in America; even she is for it. but i think it has to go both ways nowadays, us men cant be the only ones allowed two mates. so religous topic, religous forums. as long as its all done with mature ADULTS. then like in the bible, and other faiths i see no harm. discuss i guess. we had some not so great polygamy problems in Canada. so thought i could put a good spin on something only ADULTS, should engage in. i pray i havent offended anyone.

i agree with you to a point, however to be a minister 1 timothy chapter 3 and titus chapter 1 make it clear that a minister is to have only one wife.

well in Canada we had a huge problem with a religous order. they were marrying 14-16 yer old girls!. thats just in my eyes wrong. not just one but two or three maybe more, i couldnt watch the news reports.

but for regular folk ADULT folks. i see no harm. mortages would be paied off allot quicker lol. i totally understand the bible versues. Solomon had many wives. but thats neither here nor there. thanks for getting the topic rolling.

You are confusing a sex offense with polygamy, I will present a devils advocate argument which is this; what is there scientifically to prevent one from having multiple wives or husbands, and how about psychologically as well. To Hades with any religions scriptures strictly medical, and scientifically what is the problem?....If there is none then it is an insecurity of the finest order, and needs to be forced to be removed much like homosexual marriage. Why vote on something constitutionally protected anyway, marriage is a religious sacrament. The government has impressed one religions moral code on to us, and expected the rest of us sinners to just mutely follow along.

Moondog;
Your statement about Solomon being neither here nor there is not accurate. All his wives were not sufficient to satiate his carnal appetite. In fact, it was because Solomon desired, lusted, for just one more woman, the Queen of Sheba, that he would forsake his sacred vows and lose his wealth and power. Gluttony comes in many forms. In this case, can we say that polygamy is also a form of lustful, carnal gluttony?
As I love only the one True God, so I am content with the love of one true partner. I have no need or desire for more when I have the best! ....God's Peace....To`na Wanagi

good to get the ball rolling. here in Canada we accept same sex marriage. so i forsee multiple mates as well. as long as its ADULTS, cannot stress that enough. then i see it harms nobody. its for better or worse. it would apply to polygamy as well. i am just trying to shine a positive light on it. myself one wife would be enough hehe. good topic though?. have fun discussing!.

While I certainly don't support or condone the practice, in many cultures around the world, young girls 10-13 years old are given into marriage with adult men. As well, there are some who take young boys also. The recent headlines of the LDS taking young girls into marriage and expelling young boys from their communities here in America are examples of variations of manmade doctrines that don't necessarily follow the principles of God. But then, one must consider which God they are following. As far as same-sex marriage, my partner and I have been married in heart, mind, and spirit, and have no need for a piece of paper. All the societal legalities have been taken care of prior to our death.....God's Peace....To`na Wanagi

Hello my friend
I apologize I have been away a great deal lately. My workload is very heavy at this time, but I saw this and was compelled to give my two cents worth.
While I am not a real big fan of multiple marriages simultaneously. I do recognize that sometimes people are married way to early in they're lives or married under the wrong conditions. I believe in the sanctity of a vow or promise. Were marriage is concerned i think marriage vows are to easily taken in this day and age. that some people do not hold enough meaning behind the vows and that divorce is to easily exorcised. That being said though if one is in a marriage that is more destructive then healthy and is a continued blight in the lives of those involved, then the continued vows should probably be reevaluated. If there is no reconciliation then maybe it is best that the couple part ways and vows and make room for what ever growth has been being held back by the marriage. Please do not misinterpret my meaning to be that divorce is a quick fix or that the vows taken in ones heart and spirit hold no merit.
As far as multiple marriages go. There are very few in this day and age whom actually hold the degree or understanding of maturity that will overcome the trial of having multiple partners. I feel there are many ways that people will try to justify the act of having multiple partners, such as the benefits of they're financial situation or the more is better idea. I sincerely hope I have not offended anyone with my words.
I wish you all well.

p/s I also wish you all a blessed thanksgiving

If one believes that the Bible is against polygamy one should reread it. The only biblical order against polygamy is the rule that women were to have only one husband; the men were allowed to have as many wives as they could tolerate. The mentioned new testament 'restrictions' on ministers were not given as the word of God but as advice by the author of that book. Additionally the books of law in the old testament were clear that the practice of having more than one wife was allowed and instructions were given on the rights of the first wife, and the treatment of all wives in general.

Salomon's having a large number of wives was indeed permitted under the book of law. His dilemma was that he took wives that had other religions (entirely against the law of Moses) and was unequally yolked and failed to continue following the law of his God in other aspects of his life.

The forced practice of monogamy is actually a non-christian non-jewish addition to the religions some time after King Solomon's death.

When God created Adam and Eve(one man,one woman) this is the birthplace of marriage. God never intended for us to have more than one mate, because of our own decisions we ended up with more than one. I for one dont feel we should have more than one mate because even if the people dont say so some of them end up not fulfilled because its hard to devote equal time between two mates. God bless

Whether or not the scriptures approve of polygamy, I will stand by my conviction as stated above in my earlier post. It does not surprise me that in this day and age, when more than a majority of marriages end in failure, that the world of mankind will continue to justify his/her sexual lusts. Knowing the statistical data and the prominance of single parent families today, has anyone considered the fate of the dozens of children born of these multiple marriage units? Or, considering the plight of the world's children, starvation, plagues, war, and death, is it wise to continue filling the earth with more and more people who will never really have an opportunity to even survive its rigors?

Or, should we focus on solving these socio-economic concerns of that which we already have, before creating more of the same?

I am of the mind that one should focus on the quality of life for our people on this planet, and stop focusing on quantity. But as per usual, mankind is a gluttonous species, always desiring and wallowing in excess but incapable of sharing with those who have a need. So I will continue to focus on the quality of love I have for my one true God, and my one true partner. That means recognizing the monster in the mirror, removing the mote first, and then the plank. I have no need, or want, of anything more.....God's Love and Peace.....To`na Wanagi

I was merely pointing out what the Books of law actually said in the scripture. Personally I have trouble keeping one wife happy and any thought of more than one would be simply to reduce the number of chores she has to do... ```~

Personally I think it goes back to the fact that humans were given the ability of choice and that is that. No mammal is truly monogamous by nature and with the rates of divorse and remarriage globally it would appear that man is not either.

All i pointed out is what is said in the book of Genesis. If you had more than one you would have more chores. I dont agree with you that no species is monogamous just because we have a few bad apples doesnt mean the whole bunch is spoiled. God bless

if you are for it then there is nothing left to say just dont leave your wives "unsatisafied"

Ah the spoken judgement against those with more than one wife.

speaking the truth isnt judgement, we judge ourselves by our actions. God never wanted us to have more than one wife so if somebody's judging its Him. Men can have 200 wives doesnt mean God will accept it. We are allowed to do all things but are all things good for us to do. God bless

yeah, and most of ya think god hates homosexuals, bisexuals, lesbains, non beleivers who shun his words promiscuity, questioning him, talking back to parents, Muslims, Reiki according to a cardinal, witches, devil worshippers, those who eat more than the bare minimum to survive which is called gluttony by the strictest definition of the word, those who know the holy word but never convert to christianity, depending upon sect of course every other sect is going to heck for teaching the bible wrongly.



With all of this hate when does he find time to love
the answer he loves, and accepts them the way they are

Yes he loves us as well, or he loves nothing, and then he is not god, and we should not worry.

Hate and proving one ignorance are 2 very different things. I doubt that he or she hates polygamists it just shows that there is a lack of understanding of the dynamics of the type of relationship as in a marriage. Then again most people don't understand marriage and that accounts for most of the divorces.

He loves us but doesnt love some of the things we do and the choices we make. Why is correcting someone viewed as hate, I dont hate my child but when he makes a mistake I correct him. Why is that so hard to believe everything we do isnt acceptable to God? We can relax our standards but He isnt going to do that, He made rules and laws for a reason. In Sodom and Gommorah people lived any way they chose to and you see what happened? God bless

I dont hate anyone all im saying is that we can do whatever we want but that doesnt mean that it is acceptable to God. why im I ignorant? God bless

"Jesus loves the little children,
All the little children of the world.
Red and yellow, black and white
They are precious in his sight
Jesus loves the little children of the world."

Isn't this a time when we wish peace on earth good will toward all men? I wish it for all of you.....God's Peace......To`na Wanagi

Ignorance is a lack of information not that you are unwilling to understand but that you have not found understanding. We are all ignorant on one or two dozen ideas.

The old testament actually condones polygamy or polyginy (however that is spelled) where a man has more than one wife. It made sense back in the day when having children meant survival.

Today it makes sense in that the workload is distributed among many spouses, beyond that point it is still thought illegal in the USA and those that practice it are treated unfairly and as outcasts because they actually read the scriptures and applied them to their need for a larger family. Polygamists are actually less insane than the Duggers who have attempted to singlehandedly repopulate their state.

Yes, he does.

In Genesis it says the two shall come together and make one, God controls kids he gives them to us so if we needed to have 12 or 13 children we would(the Duggers). You look at the old testament when a man had several wives its always one of them he loved. Workload being distributed among multiples spouses only makes sense if you increase your workload because you have more help, in other words if you dont have many partners you wouldnt have that big of a workload. God loves us all but doesnt like everything we do. God bless

You are still not reading the old testament books of law. That is what I was pointing out.

As the law of God was not condemned or changed by the coming and death of Christ the rules of marriage apply. Whether you think it a good idea or not. There is no earthly or heavenly reason that multiple wives in itself is wrong or bad. Yes there is statutes but those even go against the supreme law in the US which is the constitutional right to freedom of religion as marriage is a religious right and not a civil union as so many now accept it to be.

That said, I have one wife and am content and she is content with it as well. I wouldn't encourage anyone to have multiple spouses just because you want more in the bedroom. It would have to be considered well before adding more to a relationship.

My advice ... Seriously talk to God and let Him lead you.

Br. Josef,

Technically you are correct, but a reading of the Tanakh gives a clear impression that while polygamy was tolerated, and in that sense condoned, it was not considered the ideal arrangement.

B'shalom,

Peter

To`na

You wrote, "Isn't this a time when we wish peace on earth good will toward all men?"

Hopefully, the sentiments you expressed are not reserved for only one season of the year. However, mindful that for many of my Christian brothers and sisters those words have special significance at this time, I wish you and them, as you put it so succinctly, G-d's peace.

For me and for mine tonight begins the minor Jewish festival of Hannukah. Hannukah comes from the Hebrew word for dedication, for it celebrates the recapture of the Temple by the Maccabees from the Selucids who desecrated it with a statue of Zeus and the sacrifice of swine upon the altar. The Temple was cleansed and rededicated to the service of the Eternal One.

And so, at this time of the Jewish year, the 25th day of the month of Kislev, I seek to rededicate myself to G-d's service, service to the people Israel, service to all of G-d's children.

My we all be true to the G-d stuff within us. May we all be there for one another, girding each other with strength and love.

B'shalom,

Peter

I do talk to God and He does lead me. All laws are passed down by God so if a man goes to jail for having multiple wives then how can we as followers agree with it. I do think that multiple wives is bad because whether the women admit to it or not some of them will go lacking not just in the sexual department but just overall companionship its hard sometimes for a couple when both of them work to have enough time to spend with each other so now he has to find the time to spread that time between two or three. All Im pointing out is that from the beginning God joined two people together and that was before the law was written. God bless

the old testament was lifted from us that was the reason for Jesus in the first place. Pre Jesus sacrifices needed to be offered up in the manner inscribed in the old testament for the lord to be appeased, and they were animal. Pro Jesus his sacrifice was the last official act of sacrifice for Christianity. The animal sacrifice was spiritual medicine for the forgiveness of sins, now the blood sacrifice of the son fills that role. So the old testament is still good rules to live by, but are largely replaced by the rules, and codices in the new testament.

that's all I was trying to point out to the brother. God bless

It would have been much better had you said that.

Dear brother Peter;
There is a saying that, 'We are all God's children.....or none of us are.' I subscribe to that philosophy and leave none out. My statement was pointing out to those who continue to debate the thousands of manmade doctrines of Christianity that this is supposed to be their season to promote peace on Earth. And, no I certainly don't reserve my advocacy for His Love and Peace for only a season, but for a lifetime. It has been my desire for as long as I can recall to stop the insanity that rules this world of mankind. So, whatever hat one wears, whatever cloak one puts on, to them all I cry "Seek God's Peace and Love, not man's version." We all know what happens in whatever path we choose. So why should it be so hard to choose a path of the Spirit of the Universe?

May you and yours celebrate the holiday season of your people joyfully and be recipients of His great Love and Mercy all through the years.....Yawaste' Mitakola.......To`na Wanagi

Amen to you. God bless

I was not trying to say that it is the better way either. Just that using the bible to attack those that practice it is the wrong book to use since it was after all condoned in the bible.

Pretty much the bible does have a few spots that lead me to believe that the rules were flexible and as long as you did not do anything to deliberately harm the innocent others then what you did was between you and God.... That said there were some Laws and there were some rules and the 2 were of different importance based on how they were delivered since only some were set in stone by God and others were set in tablet by man representing God and still others were just suggestions from apostles and the like.

Like the rule of not eating meat on Fridays (post bible catechism) was never as important as not coveting your neighbors hand maiden despite the amount of press it was given by the church.

I wasnt attacking anyone and if that's the impression I gave off then I do apologize to any and all. The bible is the right book because we have to read and understand it as a whole. God bless

I know from personal experience that I have both been in love with more than one woman at a time and that I have had more than one women in love with me at a time and these things are always so painful and it never did seem to make any sense to me, I would always think that people would be more understanding but some how it would all turn ugly. I don't think we know what love is. People should not have to be the personal property of others inorder to be loved and if that's what it takes to love someone then we got a problem. That's what I got to say on the subject.

ok lions would eat us. but look at wolves whom we can become companions too. now wolves know how to treat each other. we are not wolves. but look at that famous person who just got nailed with adultery...


now, i take a page from here, and a page from there. and i look to our wildest man's best friend (humanities best friends), the wolf. we are not un-like them. the alpha male, and the mama wolves. when someone cheats they call him a dog; as the kid's say nowadays i think?. we should take examples from the religions which dont punish polygamy, but we as long as its consenting adults, then who are we to judge. in my youth i was in love with many females, well three at least hehe.


now this is turned into a great discussion IMHO. so many views, all good and valid. bless you all. nothing wrong with one mate, nothing at all. but there are those who want more.