God will not help undeserving

Some praise the Lord as the kindest, who protects even the sinners and thus they say that Lord helps even the undeserving. If it is so, there is no place of punishment for the sins. Every sinner should be saved by the Lord and then the cycle of deeds becomes meaningless and invalid. Actually, this statement is made by deserving devotees, who project themselves as undeserving due to their submissive character and lack of ego. By this statement, one should not misunderstand that really God helps the undeserving due to His boundless compassion. His kindness is always seen in His constant efforts to preach all the souls to uplift them from doing sins and to make them deserving through high devotion. A teacher always helps every student to read and understand the knowledge, but he will not help any student in the examination by giving answers secretly. The kindness of teacher is appreciated in his interest to teach every student but he is not appreciated in helping the students through unfair means.

Amen, Reverend. Great post. That is my God too.

Joseph

Ummm...according to the dictionary, Atheism: 1. The denial of, or disbelief in, the existence of God. 2. Godlessness in life or conduct. (Funk & Wagnall's)
So, how is it that you have a god?

Well I told you... I am trying to change my ways. I am not happy being an atheist. I chose to become an atheist because religions, Christianity in particular, fail myserable at answering my questions. Also, because science had not successfully answered these questions either, I am searching for something that does. I am trying to become a reformed atheist.

Joseph

Ohhh, a reformed atheist! I like your spirit!

But just one thing; it is not only the Christian faith that corrupts the spirit of God. No. All of mankind is guilty of desecrating His creation which was originally made perfect and in balance. If you can take the greatest wisdoms, the highest calling, the sincerest intentions, the best of morals and ethics, the unconditional love we should exhibit to others from all the great faiths, famous philosophers, and great leader's idealogies like Martin Luther King Jr., Ghandhi, Jesus, Superman (yes, he was right on too!) and adopt these principles as articles of faith and what you would like to represent, those things that speak to your heart and are logical in your mind, then you have a good grasp of what God can be to you. All it requires on your part is action, to speak your truth, and be willing to endorse and stand your position of what you think is right even in the face of adversity and which may require sacrifice. Keep searching and listen to the words of many on this site who have so much to share.....Peace........To`na Wanagi

Thank you. I do appreciate your kind words and thoughful post.

Yes! Trying to reform, with heavy emphasis on trying, but quite unsuccessfully I fear. I like what you said in your post. I think I am standing up for what I beleive in, and I am getting a lot of flack for it too. I am guided by logic not faith. I believe what I see, not vice versa, as some so-called profits claim. Funny you should mention MLK Jr. His people are not following his example at all, for the most part, are they? Bill Cosby stood up a while back and pointed that out.

Isn't it interesting that people refuse to follow their own leader who lived only a few years ago who they can see and hear on TV, but they are willing to follow someone who they know nothing about but what they've read in a book written 400 years after his death? Can you imagine trying to write a book about someone who lived 400 years ago? And worse, imagine writing it with nothing but people's embellished stories to go by.

Good luck with that.

Joseph

Jesus said it best; "A prophet is without honour in his own land." And yes, we have had many opportunities in front of us to follow after wisdom. And as is usual, mankind wearies quickly from doing what is good and meaningful and right. But just because others do not see, does not disqualify the message. Follow after wisdom and the light of your spirit will be revealed....and expect a battle!....Peace....To`na Wanagi

News Flash: a number of self-proclaimed Christians are NOT following Christ.
Yes, I can imagine trying to write a book about someone who lived 400 years ago. It would not necessarily be biographical.

The same way that the message of Dr. King has touched and continues to touch the minds and hearts of a number of people, so do the alleged words of Jesus bring a message to those who will receive it. That message is about Love, not judgement, about compassion, not hatred.

Or anything resembling the truth either, but maybe that doesn't matter. Maybe it would be a fictional novel?

Joseph

400 years is not such a long time, I am sure there are some kind of records that a person could research. But maybe you meant 4000 years. It really does not matter. THis book does not exist. If you want to make reference to the Bible why not just say it?
Isn't your implication that there is no Truth in the Bible?
I've found truth there many times over. Truth and wisdom and guidance. Found it in a few other places, too. Still looking to find more.

I get the feeling that I am not your favorite person, Tammy... I feel bad about that. But you are right and I will say it: There is no truth in the Bible. How's that? The books of the bible are there because they served a purpose for the powers that were at the time. Its all about political power, just like today. If you have found truth in the bible, then good for you, but how do you know what you have found to be true? How do you qualify that truth?

Joseph

I get the feeling that you are not liking me much, Tammy... I feel bad about that. Like you, I am just searching for answers. But you are right and I will say it: There is no truth in the Bible. How's that? The books of the bible are there because they served a purpose for the powers that were at the time. Its all about political power, just like today. If you have found truth in the bible, then good for you, but how do you know what you have found to be true? How do you qualify that truth?

Joseph

[b]Devotion to Lord - Research & Developments sofar[/b]
Faith developed through prayers & songs using superpowers of God for solutions will not stand forever because God will not answer always for the prayers, songs & crying with tears. People become addicted for such ways.

Child weeps every time for chocolate, which is habituated for that path. Child intensifies process of weeping if chocolate is delayed! Initially child is attracted by chocolates to go to school for some days. Child has become young person but did not cross first standard of school, because child concentrated only on art of weeping to get chocolates.

Person became postgraduate & even a Ph.D. degree holder in course of begging & weeping for chocolates. Person became exceptional scholar & developed several talents in praising Lord, crying for Lord, singing & music on Lord, meditation & concentration on Lord with mind, chanting name for millions of times, writing name of Lord for millions of times, chanting some letters (Beejaksharas or mantras), drawing some design diagrams on metallic plates (Yantras), doing worship following certain special ways of technology (Tantras) & so on. These discoveries and developments are tremendous & as many as developments in Science & Technology!

Ofcourse, all these are good psychological ways of solutions in treating certain psycho-patients with fixed notions to give mental relief of stress & confidence. All these ways are good, if person is without aspiration of any fruit from God in return. Such love is real. But real love is expressed in terms of sacrifice of work & sacrifice of fruit of work as seen in case of your love on your children. If such practical expression exists, all above theoretical expression of love through words & mind can be associated as plate of meals is associated with cup of drinking water.

The bible is the truth, it takes faith to believe it. God bless

Practical sacrifice for God prove that God is the highest

The practical sacrifice for the sake of God to prove that God is highest is important here to get the permanent grace of God. Kamsa heard the voice of unimaginable God from the sky about the danger from the eighth child of his sister. Even though it is the voice of unimaginable God, he tried to oppose God by killing all her children. If he had faith in the unimaginable God, he should have killed his own devilish nature and should have surrendered to God for protection. Krishna was the unimaginable God in visible human form. Even though it is the form of ordinary human being, Gopikas sacrificed everything and everybody for Him and surrendered to God completely. Therefore, the point is not about the form of God.

The point is about your attitude towards your selfishness and your sacrifice to God. The essence of your entire spiritual effort is to eradicate your selfishness and develop sacrifice for the sake of God. If this attitude is achieved, there is no need of worshipping God. What is the use of worship as long as your attitude is centered on your selfishness either for Iham or Param (for this world or afterworld)?


At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

Anil Antony

www.universal-spirituality.org
Universal Spirituality for World Peace

Sorry Rodeo, but that doesn't make any sense. It doesn't take faith to believe any other truths, does it? No, because they can be proved. Like 1 + 1 = 2. There is no other answer. There is no misunderstanding, and it doesn't take faith to believe it. Just hold up two fingers and see.

Some Christians still believe the world is only 10,000 years old. It has been proven that it is much older; yet, some folks tend to hang on to the old beliefs. Why? How do these people explain dinosaurs? They will tell you than humans and dinos lived at the same time. What is this, the Flintstones where humans made pets of T-Rexs? Named them "Dino" and such?

Some things just don't make sense and believing in them doesn't make them true.

J

It's Roddio, it takes faith for you to believe that its a dinosaur bone why? have you ever seen a dinosaur? No but just because someone show you a bone and told you that's what it was you believed it. According to scientists dinosaurs live millions of years ago when man wasnt even around, but they can tell you that is the bone of animals that they never seen WOW. God is very real. explain to me how the first man got here? or the first "dinosaur"? God bless

The stars, my friend, all life is made of star stuff. Now see, science is thoroughly tested. Theories don't become theories just because someone says so. It's not a mystery. They know how old the bones are. Sure dinosaurs might not look exactly like the reconstructions, but they are probably pretty close and they lived over 65 million years ago. The bones are actual records that can be dated and tested, unlike religion which cannot.



J

OMG!!! : You're joking! Right?
And yes, I have seen many dinosaurs. n fact, they are called reptiles!?!

what is the name of the reptiles? t-rex, brontosaurus etc.... did we evolve from monkeys? Im not saying dinosaurs didnt exist but 65 million years ago when man wasnt around. God bless

who was around 65 million years? who's to say it isnt 5900 years ago? science says we evolve from monkeys/gorillas do you believe that? What im getting at is you still have to have faith in what there telling you, regardless of how many test they do. God bless

God is never non-existent

The Veda says “Asanneva Sa bhavati…” etc. This hymn means “God exists while being the non-existent. Realize that God is both the existent and non-existent items. Then you will realize that God exists”. This hymn needs an elaborate analytical explanation. You can bring another Vedic statement here (Tat Srushtvaa…, Satcha Tyat Chaabhavat…). This means “God created the world and entered into it. Then He became both existent and non-existent”. Bring the Gita here (Manusheem Tanum...), which means that God enters the human body.


The non-existent items (Asat) are energy, matter and awareness, forms and feelings. Forms and feelings are non-existent with respect to matter and awareness. Both matter and awareness are non-existent with respect to energy. Energy is non-existent with respect to God. God is never non-existent. He is always existent (Sat). When God enters in the energetic form, the energetic form consists of form and energy and both these are relatively true (Asat) items.

When God enters the human body, the body consists of matter, energy, awareness, forms and feelings, which are also relatively true (Asat) items only. You have to take that form as God as you take the live wire as current. If you agree that the unimaginable God exists and enters imaginable items, which are non-existent (since they are relatively true), now you can say that God exists and is visible. Through the imaginable and relatively non-existent items (like energetic form or human body) only you can experience God.


The Veda says that God becomes both ‘Sat’ and ‘Tyat’. God exists as God and also as non-God (body and soul). In human body, He entertains Himself under the illusion of forms and feelings like an ordinary human being. If necessary, He will rise to higher level and will realize that forms and feelings are unreal. If still necessary, He will rise to still higher level, will realize both matter and awareness as unreal, and will perform miracles. Finally, He will rise to the highest level, where energy also becomes unreal and in this state, He is creator, maintainer and destroyer of the world. In this highest level only the Gita or the Bible or (divine knowledge) comes out.

Ok so I have to have faith in the fact that radio carbon dating can tell us the age of something based on the loss of carbon over the years (or whatver it is exactly). But that makes sense to me. Organic things lose carbon at a certain rate so there is a constant that can be measured,. You have a book. Thats it. You don't know who wrote it, how many languages its been translated through, or how embellished the stories were before they were recorded into your book. But who cares? It is THE evidence.

Do I believe we evolved from Apes? Absolutely! Not monkeys or gorillas though. Christians always say that. but thats not it. We primates (gorillas, monkeys, and all modern apes including humans) have a common ancestor in our history. How can you NOT believe that?

I sometimes wonder how I can even be of the same species as you people. Its unbelievable to me that in this day and age that anyone could seriously believe anything other than evolution! "I got vision and the rest of the world is wearing bifocals" (Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, 1969).

Here is an analogy of how Christians deal with things.

Christian: Do you know the square root of 357?
Me: No. Not off the top of my head.
Christian: What if I told you it was 3? Do you believe it is 3?
Me: No. 3 is the square root of 9. Not the square root of 357.
Christian: My book says its 3 so thats what it is. You will believe it or I will ridicule you until you do or you go away.
Me: Hang on. Let me get my calculator... The square root of 357 is 18.89 and change
Christian: No. Its 3. According to my book its 3 so thats the correct answer. I don't care about your fancy calculator.
Me: But I just proved to you that its not 3.
Christian: No you didn't. Your calculator is wrong. You have to have faith that the square root of 357 is 3 and then it will be.
Me: Believing it doesn't make it so
Christian: Yes it does. My book says its so and if I believe strong enough it will come to be.
Me: Okay, man.... Whatever you think (cuckoo, cuckoo).

According to the people who wrote your book, the world was flat. Are you going to tell me you believe that too? They also believed that the earth was the center of the universe. I guess thats true too, huh?

Christians: "You're dummer than a bag of hammers."

J

Love gives birth to love, and hate gives birth to hate. Don't look now but your hate is showing!

God's blessings,

Rev. Campbell.

Thanks I take all insults as an compliments. Did snakes walk at one time? the answer is yes your scientist proved that, so what the bible says about snakes walking is true. what im saying is your free to believe what you wish, but so am I. I dont believe we evolved from apes I could careless how much carbon dating or whatever they come up with. Ok I get the carbon thing but who was around back 65 million bc to tell that's when the bone was buried, or could I simply say that "yeah that's when it was buried"? seeing that most scientist dont believe in God and are always trying disprove God. 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is Inspired by God. God bless

No, both of you are wrong. Most scientists acknowledge a divine master plan. People like Albert Einstein, Steven Hawkings, cosmologists, astronomers, physicians, psychiatrists, are many who may not be able to articulate exactly what it is they know, but they know there is something much greater than themselves who designed this magnificent universe. You are both wrong. Why can't there be both?. It is known that in the first earth age the great beasts walked the face of the earth, there was no human flesh, but their spirits were with God. When God inquired of Lucifer where he had been, Lucifer told God he had been walking to and fro upon the earth. During the second earth age God created the account of Genesis, creating human flesh on the sixth day. On the eighth day He created a type of person, Adam This is the one God intended to use as an example of His likeness, but different than the other humans already here. But as usual, the type of man, Adam, was unable to live up to the task. We are now in the third earth age after the time of Christ wherein all humans could fully understand the way of righteousness but had the freedom of choice to walk the Way of God, or the way of man. We are also currently in the time of the fig tree as prophesied in the Bible.

Eh, that's enough information for you two. Look the rest up for yourselves. It is apparent that neither of you have taken real effort to fully unerstand the history or meanings of the lessons scripture offers. You must search for truth and do your homework. Otherwise you will fail the test.....Peace.......To`na Wanagi

Before you start telling me I am wrong, please remember my original reason for coming here: That science can't explain the creation of the universe to my satisfaction. I said that either the univers was created or it has always exisited. Thats about the only options there are. I choose creation because I can't wrap my head around the alternative.

Please take that into consideration before you say I am wrong.

J

You seem to take a position that there are absolute truths in this universe. Truth is a relative term and subject to interpretation. You continue to waffle from one position to the other so I'm not sure anyone knows what you really think.
But one thing I will tell you about being wrong; You were wrong in addressing Christians as you did. And you will not be allowed to call people names on this board or use derogatory remarks regarding their belief systems or any type of prejudicial slang in reference to their personal identities.
If you want to engage in a healthy dialogue that is based on scientific facts, scriptural, religious or other faith-based ancient texts and their interpretations, philosophies, ethics, and morals, or even personal opinions, then do so in a respectful manner and please join us.

As to your reference of what I said, please note my query, "Why can't we have both?" I too have a right to my opinion. But calling all Christians dummer than a bag of hammers is unacceptable. Please take this advice to heart as it is intended to help you.....To`na Wanagi

Thank you for proving my point. See? I can't explain it any clearer. You twist my words and come back at me with things I didn't say. I am not waffling. I said, I choose to believe in a creator of the universe because science can't explain it to my satisfaction. I never said I did not believe in evolution as an explanation for how we (and everthing else on earth) came to be. Where am I waffling?


Whatever... Its okay for you to p.i.s.s. me off, but I can't say anything in return. What if I said I am offend by stupidity? That doesn't matter. We all have the right to be stupid, right? You have the right to believe in magic, be stupid, and I have the right to shut up. Doesn' that about sum it up?


Yeah I know, when in Rome, right. But if the shoe fits... You know?

Yeah I know. I will be going away soon and getting out of your hair. You can go back to your complacency without looking at reality. Reality is scarey, isn't it? This is no place for me. It was a huge mistake for me to come here looking for answers to begin with.

J.

I really dont care about dinosaurs and such as it has no bearing on my life. Adam wasnt born on the eighth day because God rested on the seventh. I said most scientist meaning not all agree with each other. How was the other humans formed(look like) before Adam? There can be both, but it says it was void and full of water so before God's creation story they wouldve been water dwelling in the dark creatures. You, and the scientist can believe whatever you wish, I dont believe in most of what you wrote. God bless

I think you should read the post I sent to you just below the first one you wrote at around 9 something this a.m.....and Joseph, you know nothing of my life. I sat on that pity pot earlier in my life playing the victim until something told me to look in the mirror. I hope you will see the same monster that I saw, someday....To`na Wanagi

Another lesson in interpretation; Gen. 1:27-28 "So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him, male and female created He them. 28. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, 'Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth, and subdue it;.......
The man and woman God created were called in Hebrew 'adam' meaning 'a human being' as an individual or a species with a small 'a' and is used as the article and demonstrative. But it is evident that there were men and women on the earth on the sixth day.

In Gen. 2 and after God rested it says "He had not caused it to rain upon the earth and there was not a man to till the ground. But there rose up a mist from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground. Verse 7, And the Lord formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. (this implies God gave man knowledge of God and a conscience) And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there He put the man He had formed.
Move forward to verse 15 and God forms a mate for the man Adam capital 'A' and in Hebrew is called 'eth-Ha`adham, or "red earth" and meaning a specific type of human species.

Now, in the story of the six days of creation the earth was formless and void and waters covered the face of the earth. But here we see that "God had not caused it to rain upon the face of the earth". This statement was after the seventh day in which He rested. So, If the earth was covered with water, why does it say God ha not caused it to rain upon the earth?
The other humans on the earth were the the many races of the earth and were spoken of as an entire species, that is, mankind. But Adam was designed to become more like God and the angels who had knowledge of right and wrong by God's hope and instruction.

I have a friend, well, really rather an acquaintance, friend of a friend, who's a physicist. He had written a paper about a dynamic mathematical compound that explained the story of Genesis in a breakdown of 7 segments. It was awesome and way over my head. I think he was being published. I will ask.

Many of you would probably find it exciting. I like proof. I hate suspicions and I really dislike lies. Recently my mother said, on facebook, that my neices ex-husband was worthless. Well, obviously that isn't true. It's just mean cause your mad.

GOD isn't going to help us if we can't help ourselves. Just to bring it back to topic.

God tells you when they was formed, then He tells you how they was formed, there's is no eighth day, as a matter of fact there's only seven days now. He rested means He rested. It didnt rain on the Earth because it wasnt formed yet. You are free to believe whatever you wish. Do you believe in the bible? God bless

Rodeo (I know that's not your name, but I like calling you that) is English a second language for you? Your writing would be much more effective if you could write grammatically correct. For example, "They" is a plural pronoun. "was" is a singular verb. If you use "they" then the verb should be "were" not "was"... They were, not they was. I don't know where you are from or what your native language might be, but I am just trying to give you a helping hand as any "good" Christians would do.

J

Thanks, I just started English class so im learning about proper writing/speaking techniques. My native language is english. Are you an english teacher? God bless

Mmmm... I could be. You never know. Glad I could help, however.

Well if you are I would appreciate any help you could give. God bless