Fellow believers. My simple goal today is to address my first thoughts after becoming ordained with ULC. I scanned the many past sermons archived, but did not readily see one that fit my desired communication. So today I speak my thoughts and hopefully touch someone with like mind and attitude.
For years I was raised in a traditional theological setting. Church every Sunday (Episcopal) and choir practice on Thursdays. I served as an Acolyte (alter boy) and other leadership positions as I matured. Although I never had any reason to doubt the belief system of the religion my parents chose on my behalf, I often wondered if it was truly my belief. When I became of age, I began my journey to find a faith system that best suited my internal and eternal core values. I read any book on religion and faith I could find, and attended many, many services, of a multitude of variable faiths and beliefs.
In truth, I never found one I disliked or did not honestly believe in. It seemed as if no matter what church, temple, or other facility I entered and prayed in with fellow attendees, that I was comfortable with the word as they portrayed it. This included my original relationship with the Episcopalians. Never did I feel they were wrong or that the concept behind the service was insincere or disingenuous to the goal at hand - belief.
I will grant you, that some formal religions methods of service and preaching are quite different than others. And although I may not have enjoyed every sermon or service, nor may have seen myself capable of accepting weekly repeat performances of certain rituals, nonetheless, the word at hand was the same. Believe. Love one another. Believe.
I fell into a Interdenominational and then Nondenominational system of belief - always searching for the home which I could rest my bible. Ironically I am now not so certain if such a place really exist - at least not for me. No, instead my place is here and there and everywhere. It is my desire to believe in a God, and to help others likewise believe in a God. I do not think it is necessary for them to call their God the same name as I call my God. I am confident, that if the goals of the God(s) of different names are the same, then the entities themselves are certainly, likewise the same. And if by some poor misfortune the other party have a belief that is in a higher being different in fundamental core than the true God, I am extremely confident that the one and true God will be both loving and understanding in that mere fact that the 'belief' to do unto others as you would have them do unto you - to love one another - was in fact the same and therefor, the acceptance of that individual would be a righteous and forthcoming event.
So with open arms I accept all beliefs and faiths and religions as spiritual means to accept the teachings of God - to do what is right among all and to believe in the love we must share with each other.
It is my belief that God is God - regardless of his or her name. I believe faith is faith regardless of ones rituals or traditions. I believe Religion is a core value of belief - a means to an ends. A way to come together and help each other maintain our desired goal to help one another, to love one another, to care for one another, to respect one another, and ultimately to believe in one another - in OUR GOD.
Thank you ALL, for believing in something more than yourself. For it is the belief that makes us all what we can be.
Ray Manfredi
Ordained July 28, 2009
ULC
Full Version: First Thoughts
Welcome Rev Ray.
Likewise I am new and a relatively similar path. That was a well written belief statement showing a good deal of thought and soul searching present. Good luck to you, peace be with you and welcome.
Likewise I am new and a relatively similar path. That was a well written belief statement showing a good deal of thought and soul searching present. Good luck to you, peace be with you and welcome.
Hello Everyone who may be reading this,
I too am newly ordained, I did so to put my mind to rest. Growing up with a mixture of religious influences ranging from Southern Baptist, Nazarene, Methodist, Pentecostal and even LDS - Ultimately what I learned is that religion and God drives morality. With the exception of LDS, I find that most Judeo-Christian religions have similar guidelines for living. I view the Bible, OLD and NEW Testament, in addition to the Quran and various other scriptures out there to be just that; scriptures from a higher level of thinking meant to transcend the generations, providing hope and direction for eternal life. I view religion as a gateway to a better understanding of who we are as a species, trying to find our way in a an ever expanding Universe, helping one another continue our eternal human progression.
If you look at ancient people, hunter and gatherer types you may find that they looked towards many different [GODS] relating them to various different beliefs and understandings of what the purpose of GOD is. In many cases God was the consequence for misbehavior or aggression between people. God would punish people with weather, heck etc...
I tend to believe that the world would be utter chaos if we were all Atheists, not to say that I don't agree with Atheism because I do (I believe everyone has their place in this universe) but I will say that Atheism is not for everyone. The wonderful thing about life, is that we learn that there are many different personality types and individual experiences that we all go through. Unfortunately, some of those experiences tend to be rather discomforting for individuals; perhaps compelling them to commit acts unlike any you or I would ever commit. Murder, Rape, Incest, Compulsive Lying, Infidelity, etc... you get the idea. Similarily however, life circumstances and strict relgious beliefs are sometimes the problem and not the answer. I remember as a child talking with my Grandfather (a born again Christian) about my other set of Grandparents who were of a different Christian denomination. The topic was repenting of sins. My Grandfather believes that once forgiven always forgiven because of the way he was taught to understand it. He believed that my other Grandparents were incorrect in believing that once forgive, not always forgiven but that you must not sin again in the same way. I then asked, are they wrong? Will they get into Heaven with this skewed view? He replied that if they understood the religion more closely and what was written that they would be correct, but until then Heaven wouldn't be likely. I was stunned, my own Christian Grandfather would discriminate against another denomination of people believing and living by the standards of the same God. What Hope Did I Have??
What I believe that we must learn as humans, is that we aren't perfect, nor are those around us. But the concept of religion helps us to strive towards the perfection that we understand to radiate down upon us from the "Big Guy Upstairs" or woman, transgender or ball of protons, neutrons and electrons! (Highly Possible) What we know is that we aren't perfect, but we do need religion to help guide us and keep us in check, which is why I became ordained with the Universal Life Church Monastery. We don't discriminate, and we recognize that perhaps somewhere over time the original message of brotherhood, community and fellowship was indeed lost. Not to point fingers at any religious institution, but I would have some of our older Churches ask the question, "Would God truly be bigoted and discriminate agains his own Children?" My Grandfather in various other talks that I have had with him would seem to think so, but I think we here no a little better.
So followers of Allah, God and Mother Nature, we truly are "Children of the Same Universe" and perhaps one day, our simple online message will have enough people's attention to really spark a new enlightenment period, one in which we view the Earth as a playground in which God created for his Children, one in which we should learn not to discriminate against other groups of kids and one in which all of us can play fairly with one another. One in which we all work together to protect and save.
Good Night
I too am newly ordained, I did so to put my mind to rest. Growing up with a mixture of religious influences ranging from Southern Baptist, Nazarene, Methodist, Pentecostal and even LDS - Ultimately what I learned is that religion and God drives morality. With the exception of LDS, I find that most Judeo-Christian religions have similar guidelines for living. I view the Bible, OLD and NEW Testament, in addition to the Quran and various other scriptures out there to be just that; scriptures from a higher level of thinking meant to transcend the generations, providing hope and direction for eternal life. I view religion as a gateway to a better understanding of who we are as a species, trying to find our way in a an ever expanding Universe, helping one another continue our eternal human progression.
If you look at ancient people, hunter and gatherer types you may find that they looked towards many different [GODS] relating them to various different beliefs and understandings of what the purpose of GOD is. In many cases God was the consequence for misbehavior or aggression between people. God would punish people with weather, heck etc...
I tend to believe that the world would be utter chaos if we were all Atheists, not to say that I don't agree with Atheism because I do (I believe everyone has their place in this universe) but I will say that Atheism is not for everyone. The wonderful thing about life, is that we learn that there are many different personality types and individual experiences that we all go through. Unfortunately, some of those experiences tend to be rather discomforting for individuals; perhaps compelling them to commit acts unlike any you or I would ever commit. Murder, Rape, Incest, Compulsive Lying, Infidelity, etc... you get the idea. Similarily however, life circumstances and strict relgious beliefs are sometimes the problem and not the answer. I remember as a child talking with my Grandfather (a born again Christian) about my other set of Grandparents who were of a different Christian denomination. The topic was repenting of sins. My Grandfather believes that once forgiven always forgiven because of the way he was taught to understand it. He believed that my other Grandparents were incorrect in believing that once forgive, not always forgiven but that you must not sin again in the same way. I then asked, are they wrong? Will they get into Heaven with this skewed view? He replied that if they understood the religion more closely and what was written that they would be correct, but until then Heaven wouldn't be likely. I was stunned, my own Christian Grandfather would discriminate against another denomination of people believing and living by the standards of the same God. What Hope Did I Have??
What I believe that we must learn as humans, is that we aren't perfect, nor are those around us. But the concept of religion helps us to strive towards the perfection that we understand to radiate down upon us from the "Big Guy Upstairs" or woman, transgender or ball of protons, neutrons and electrons! (Highly Possible) What we know is that we aren't perfect, but we do need religion to help guide us and keep us in check, which is why I became ordained with the Universal Life Church Monastery. We don't discriminate, and we recognize that perhaps somewhere over time the original message of brotherhood, community and fellowship was indeed lost. Not to point fingers at any religious institution, but I would have some of our older Churches ask the question, "Would God truly be bigoted and discriminate agains his own Children?" My Grandfather in various other talks that I have had with him would seem to think so, but I think we here no a little better.
So followers of Allah, God and Mother Nature, we truly are "Children of the Same Universe" and perhaps one day, our simple online message will have enough people's attention to really spark a new enlightenment period, one in which we view the Earth as a playground in which God created for his Children, one in which we should learn not to discriminate against other groups of kids and one in which all of us can play fairly with one another. One in which we all work together to protect and save.
Good Night
QUOTE (Rev. Morrison @ Aug 20 2009, 07:27 PM) 
Hello Everyone who may be reading this,
I too am newly ordained, I did so to put my mind to rest. Growing up with a mixture of religious influences ranging from Southern Baptist, Nazarene, Methodist, Pentecostal and even LDS - Ultimately what I learned is that religion and God drives morality. With the exception of LDS, I find that most Judeo-Christian religions have similar guidelines for living. I view the Bible, OLD and NEW Testament, in addition to the Quran and various other scriptures out there to be just that; scriptures from a higher level of thinking meant to transcend the generations, providing hope and direction for eternal life. I view religion as a gateway to a better understanding of who we are as a species, trying to find our way in a an ever expanding Universe, helping one another continue our eternal human progression.
If you look at ancient people, hunter and gatherer types you may find that they looked towards many different [GODS] relating them to various different beliefs and understandings of what the purpose of GOD is. In many cases God was the consequence for misbehavior or aggression between people. God would punish people with weather, heck etc...
I tend to believe that the world would be utter chaos if we were all Atheists, not to say that I don't agree with Atheism because I do (I believe everyone has their place in this universe) but I will say that Atheism is not for everyone. The wonderful thing about life, is that we learn that there are many different personality types and individual experiences that we all go through. Unfortunately, some of those experiences tend to be rather discomforting for individuals; perhaps compelling them to commit acts unlike any you or I would ever commit. Murder, Rape, Incest, Compulsive Lying, Infidelity, etc... you get the idea. Similarily however, life circumstances and strict relgious beliefs are sometimes the problem and not the answer. I remember as a child talking with my Grandfather (a born again Christian) about my other set of Grandparents who were of a different Christian denomination. The topic was repenting of sins. My Grandfather believes that once forgiven always forgiven because of the way he was taught to understand it. He believed that my other Grandparents were incorrect in believing that once forgive, not always forgiven but that you must not sin again in the same way. I then asked, are they wrong? Will they get into Heaven with this skewed view? He replied that if they understood the religion more closely and what was written that they would be correct, but until then Heaven wouldn't be likely. I was stunned, my own Christian Grandfather would discriminate against another denomination of people believing and living by the standards of the same God. What Hope Did I Have??
What I believe that we must learn as humans, is that we aren't perfect, nor are those around us. But the concept of religion helps us to strive towards the perfection that we understand to radiate down upon us from the "Big Guy Upstairs" or woman, transgender or ball of protons, neutrons and electrons! (Highly Possible) What we know is that we aren't perfect, but we do need religion to help guide us and keep us in check, which is why I became ordained with the Universal Life Church Monastery. We don't discriminate, and we recognize that perhaps somewhere over time the original message of brotherhood, community and fellowship was indeed lost. Not to point fingers at any religious institution, but I would have some of our older Churches ask the question, "Would God truly be bigoted and discriminate agains his own Children?" My Grandfather in various other talks that I have had with him would seem to think so, but I think we here no a little better.
So followers of Allah, God and Mother Nature, we truly are "Children of the Same Universe" and perhaps one day, our simple online message will have enough people's attention to really spark a new enlightenment period, one in which we view the Earth as a playground in which God created for his Children, one in which we should learn not to discriminate against other groups of kids and one in which all of us can play fairly with one another. One in which we all work together to protect and save.
Good Night
I too am newly ordained, I did so to put my mind to rest. Growing up with a mixture of religious influences ranging from Southern Baptist, Nazarene, Methodist, Pentecostal and even LDS - Ultimately what I learned is that religion and God drives morality. With the exception of LDS, I find that most Judeo-Christian religions have similar guidelines for living. I view the Bible, OLD and NEW Testament, in addition to the Quran and various other scriptures out there to be just that; scriptures from a higher level of thinking meant to transcend the generations, providing hope and direction for eternal life. I view religion as a gateway to a better understanding of who we are as a species, trying to find our way in a an ever expanding Universe, helping one another continue our eternal human progression.
If you look at ancient people, hunter and gatherer types you may find that they looked towards many different [GODS] relating them to various different beliefs and understandings of what the purpose of GOD is. In many cases God was the consequence for misbehavior or aggression between people. God would punish people with weather, heck etc...
I tend to believe that the world would be utter chaos if we were all Atheists, not to say that I don't agree with Atheism because I do (I believe everyone has their place in this universe) but I will say that Atheism is not for everyone. The wonderful thing about life, is that we learn that there are many different personality types and individual experiences that we all go through. Unfortunately, some of those experiences tend to be rather discomforting for individuals; perhaps compelling them to commit acts unlike any you or I would ever commit. Murder, Rape, Incest, Compulsive Lying, Infidelity, etc... you get the idea. Similarily however, life circumstances and strict relgious beliefs are sometimes the problem and not the answer. I remember as a child talking with my Grandfather (a born again Christian) about my other set of Grandparents who were of a different Christian denomination. The topic was repenting of sins. My Grandfather believes that once forgiven always forgiven because of the way he was taught to understand it. He believed that my other Grandparents were incorrect in believing that once forgive, not always forgiven but that you must not sin again in the same way. I then asked, are they wrong? Will they get into Heaven with this skewed view? He replied that if they understood the religion more closely and what was written that they would be correct, but until then Heaven wouldn't be likely. I was stunned, my own Christian Grandfather would discriminate against another denomination of people believing and living by the standards of the same God. What Hope Did I Have??
What I believe that we must learn as humans, is that we aren't perfect, nor are those around us. But the concept of religion helps us to strive towards the perfection that we understand to radiate down upon us from the "Big Guy Upstairs" or woman, transgender or ball of protons, neutrons and electrons! (Highly Possible) What we know is that we aren't perfect, but we do need religion to help guide us and keep us in check, which is why I became ordained with the Universal Life Church Monastery. We don't discriminate, and we recognize that perhaps somewhere over time the original message of brotherhood, community and fellowship was indeed lost. Not to point fingers at any religious institution, but I would have some of our older Churches ask the question, "Would God truly be bigoted and discriminate agains his own Children?" My Grandfather in various other talks that I have had with him would seem to think so, but I think we here no a little better.
So followers of Allah, God and Mother Nature, we truly are "Children of the Same Universe" and perhaps one day, our simple online message will have enough people's attention to really spark a new enlightenment period, one in which we view the Earth as a playground in which God created for his Children, one in which we should learn not to discriminate against other groups of kids and one in which all of us can play fairly with one another. One in which we all work together to protect and save.
Good Night
A strong and valid example of how we are the same yet many believe in such issues as to acceptance. I did want to address a couple of things in the post... not in disagreement inasmuch as conversation...
1) I agree that most Judeo-Christian religions as well as those not of the Christian descent have similar guidelines for living a good life. I do however think the LDS follow that same plan. In fact they may be more committed to the development of a religious 'family' then most. Not that the other religions do not promote religion among the young - they do - but the LDS takes it to the next level... Having their youth conduct most of their formal services, lessons, and involved in programs designed around family participation of individual needs. Likewise - even the religions that many folks may not 'agree' with who preach separation of the sexes and children - likewise in their own way promote their perception of righteous and good living. The fundamentals of all religions is to do good - it is just maybe the definition of what is good that we may differ on. Or the means to get there.
2) If we were All Catholics or All Jews or All Muslims we would likewise have chaos. Not because of the actual faith, but because exclusionism breads contempt, distrust, hatred, and most of the world's suffering. One only has to look at why MNAY wars are truly started... it is not really about oil, but a mistrust/misunderstanding both culturally (religion makes up most cultural values) and politically (again religion plays a key role in most agendas) of US by THEM or THEM by US. So when we are ONE we are dangerous. When we are two or more we are combative. When we are MANY with TRUE ACCEPTANCE and UNDERSTANDING we are in God's Kingdom. (Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do.) This one statement made by one man speaks for the truth of many that come after him. Including your Grandfathers.
In Prayer. One day we will be in peace with each other. ULCM is the sunrise to that day.
QUOTE (Rev. Morrison @ Aug 20 2009, 07:27 PM)
Hello Everyone who may be reading this,
I too am newly ordained, I did so to put my mind to rest. Growing up with a mixture of religious influences ranging from Southern Baptist, Nazarene, Methodist, Pentecostal and even LDS - Ultimately what I learned is that religion and God drives morality. With the exception of LDS, I find that most Judeo-Christian religions have similar guidelines for living. I view the Bible, OLD and NEW Testament, in addition to the Quran and various other scriptures out there to be just that; scriptures from a higher level of thinking meant to transcend the generations, providing hope and direction for eternal life. I view religion as a gateway to a better understanding of who we are as a species, trying to find our way in a an ever expanding Universe, helping one another continue our eternal human progression.
If you look at ancient people, hunter and gatherer types you may find that they looked towards many different [GODS] relating them to various different beliefs and understandings of what the purpose of GOD is. In many cases God was the consequence for misbehavior or aggression between people. God would punish people with weather, heck etc...
I tend to believe that the world would be utter chaos if we were all Atheists, not to say that I don't agree with Atheism because I do (I believe everyone has their place in this universe) but I will say that Atheism is not for everyone. The wonderful thing about life, is that we learn that there are many different personality types and individual experiences that we all go through. Unfortunately, some of those experiences tend to be rather discomforting for individuals; perhaps compelling them to commit acts unlike any you or I would ever commit. Murder, Rape, Incest, Compulsive Lying, Infidelity, etc... you get the idea. Similarily however, life circumstances and strict relgious beliefs are sometimes the problem and not the answer. I remember as a child talking with my Grandfather (a born again Christian) about my other set of Grandparents who were of a different Christian denomination. The topic was repenting of sins. My Grandfather believes that once forgiven always forgiven because of the way he was taught to understand it. He believed that my other Grandparents were incorrect in believing that once forgive, not always forgiven but that you must not sin again in the same way. I then asked, are they wrong? Will they get into Heaven with this skewed view? He replied that if they understood the religion more closely and what was written that they would be correct, but until then Heaven wouldn't be likely. I was stunned, my own Christian Grandfather would discriminate against another denomination of people believing and living by the standards of the same God. What Hope Did I Have??
What I believe that we must learn as humans, is that we aren't perfect, nor are those around us. But the concept of religion helps us to strive towards the perfection that we understand to radiate down upon us from the "Big Guy Upstairs" or woman, transgender or ball of protons, neutrons and electrons! (Highly Possible) What we know is that we aren't perfect, but we do need religion to help guide us and keep us in check, which is why I became ordained with the Universal Life Church Monastery. We don't discriminate, and we recognize that perhaps somewhere over time the original message of brotherhood, community and fellowship was indeed lost. Not to point fingers at any religious institution, but I would have some of our older Churches ask the question, "Would God truly be bigoted and discriminate agains his own Children?" My Grandfather in various other talks that I have had with him would seem to think so, but I think we here no a little better.
So followers of Allah, God and Mother Nature, we truly are "Children of the Same Universe" and perhaps one day, our simple online message will have enough people's attention to really spark a new enlightenment period, one in which we view the Earth as a playground in which God created for his Children, one in which we should learn not to discriminate against other groups of kids and one in which all of us can play fairly with one another. One in which we all work together to protect and save.
Good Night
I too am newly ordained, I did so to put my mind to rest. Growing up with a mixture of religious influences ranging from Southern Baptist, Nazarene, Methodist, Pentecostal and even LDS - Ultimately what I learned is that religion and God drives morality. With the exception of LDS, I find that most Judeo-Christian religions have similar guidelines for living. I view the Bible, OLD and NEW Testament, in addition to the Quran and various other scriptures out there to be just that; scriptures from a higher level of thinking meant to transcend the generations, providing hope and direction for eternal life. I view religion as a gateway to a better understanding of who we are as a species, trying to find our way in a an ever expanding Universe, helping one another continue our eternal human progression.
If you look at ancient people, hunter and gatherer types you may find that they looked towards many different [GODS] relating them to various different beliefs and understandings of what the purpose of GOD is. In many cases God was the consequence for misbehavior or aggression between people. God would punish people with weather, heck etc...
I tend to believe that the world would be utter chaos if we were all Atheists, not to say that I don't agree with Atheism because I do (I believe everyone has their place in this universe) but I will say that Atheism is not for everyone. The wonderful thing about life, is that we learn that there are many different personality types and individual experiences that we all go through. Unfortunately, some of those experiences tend to be rather discomforting for individuals; perhaps compelling them to commit acts unlike any you or I would ever commit. Murder, Rape, Incest, Compulsive Lying, Infidelity, etc... you get the idea. Similarily however, life circumstances and strict relgious beliefs are sometimes the problem and not the answer. I remember as a child talking with my Grandfather (a born again Christian) about my other set of Grandparents who were of a different Christian denomination. The topic was repenting of sins. My Grandfather believes that once forgiven always forgiven because of the way he was taught to understand it. He believed that my other Grandparents were incorrect in believing that once forgive, not always forgiven but that you must not sin again in the same way. I then asked, are they wrong? Will they get into Heaven with this skewed view? He replied that if they understood the religion more closely and what was written that they would be correct, but until then Heaven wouldn't be likely. I was stunned, my own Christian Grandfather would discriminate against another denomination of people believing and living by the standards of the same God. What Hope Did I Have??
What I believe that we must learn as humans, is that we aren't perfect, nor are those around us. But the concept of religion helps us to strive towards the perfection that we understand to radiate down upon us from the "Big Guy Upstairs" or woman, transgender or ball of protons, neutrons and electrons! (Highly Possible) What we know is that we aren't perfect, but we do need religion to help guide us and keep us in check, which is why I became ordained with the Universal Life Church Monastery. We don't discriminate, and we recognize that perhaps somewhere over time the original message of brotherhood, community and fellowship was indeed lost. Not to point fingers at any religious institution, but I would have some of our older Churches ask the question, "Would God truly be bigoted and discriminate agains his own Children?" My Grandfather in various other talks that I have had with him would seem to think so, but I think we here no a little better.
So followers of Allah, God and Mother Nature, we truly are "Children of the Same Universe" and perhaps one day, our simple online message will have enough people's attention to really spark a new enlightenment period, one in which we view the Earth as a playground in which God created for his Children, one in which we should learn not to discriminate against other groups of kids and one in which all of us can play fairly with one another. One in which we all work together to protect and save.
Good Night
A strong and valid example of how we are the same yet many believe in such issues as to acceptance. I did want to address a couple of things in the post... not in disagreement inasmuch as conversation...
1) I agree that most Judeo-Christian religions as well as those not of the Christian descent have similar guidelines for living a good life. I do however think the LDS follow that same plan. In fact they may be more committed to the development of a religious 'family' then most. Not that the other religions do not promote religion among the young - they do - but the LDS takes it to the next level... Having their youth conduct most of their formal services, lessons, and involved in programs designed around family participation of individual needs. Likewise - even the religions that many folks may not 'agree' with who preach separation of the sexes and children - likewise in their own way promote their perception of righteous and good living. The fundamentals of all religions is to do good - it is just maybe the definition of what is good that we may differ on. Or the means to get there.
2) If we were All Catholics or All Jews or All Muslims we would likewise have chaos. Not because of the actual faith, but because exclusionism breads contempt, distrust, hatred, and most of the world's suffering. One only has to look at why MNAY wars are truly started... it is not really about oil, but a mistrust/misunderstanding both culturally (religion makes up most cultural values) and politically (again religion plays a key role in most agendas) of US by THEM or THEM by US. So when we are ONE we are dangerous. When we are two or more we are combative. When we are MANY with TRUE ACCEPTANCE and UNDERSTANDING we are in God's Kingdom. (Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do.) This one statement made by one man speaks for the truth of many that come after him. Including your Grandfathers.
In Prayer. One day we will be in peace with each other. ULCM is the sunrise to that day.
as i have heard the true church is with the people outside. not in a building. i to was raised a certain way but later found it to be unfullfilling while still understanding and know that it is there way of belief so i can relate. there are people like you who have found that traditional methods are not for them but understand that it is true to worship God with love and you will be saved with love.
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