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Rev. Morrison
TGIF Everyone!

Sitting at work and just read an article on Maine's Portland Press Herald that I thought you all would appreciate.

Apparently 4th Grade Elementary Teacher, Paul Rosenblum; has had to apologize to students, faculty and parents for participating in a mock wedding ceremony with one of his female students. During class the girl proposed to her teacher at the amusement of the class.

Apparently seeing the matter as harmless and kid's play, the teacher agreed to go along with it believing that it was nothing more than the usual childhood make believe and play.

The wedding was held during lunch recess June 18, in front of a crowd of gleeful fourth-graders.


However, the consequences that followed were phone calls from parents (none of which were of his own students) upset at this type of conduct from a teaching official who over-stepped the boundaries of a normal teacher-student relationship!

How funny!

The Original Article is here.

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My two cents:

Sesame Street did a show not too long ago with a young kid, probably fourth grade aged, about marriage. I think that children need to have an understanding (however playful or innocent) of what marriage is, what love is and how we in America memorialize it.

When I was younger and in Kindergarten I remember that we would play dress up with tuxedos and dresses, we had a fake restaurant with menus and mock waitresses etc... and we would pretend to be on dates or having a formal dinner engagement. It was make believe. I do remember that at that time (kindergarten) I knew it was make believe.

So to hear that parents would be upset over such playful, innocent make believe is troubling. What now has happened is it has blown up into something that it should not have. Rather, criticism and exaggeration of the situation have been cast upon the teacher and his students imposing some type of immorality or poor judgment. I think this is absolutely ridiculous and unfair to both his students and their parents (which none of them reported a problem because they knew the guy) to have acted in such a way and shed such negative light upon an innocent situation.

Now, what will likely result, is a little girl who will be ashamed of her actions when she returns to school in the fall. How sad, and how terrible that a teacher who allowed his students to make believe and be children should have to undergo such public criticism.


Parents, Grow Up! and let your children be kids.



Amen : P
BR. Joseph
QUOTE
What!!!!? OMG not OYG btw

Didn't you know that the day of youthful innocence is over. Children are meant to live out literal lives with out fun and with out any kind of imagination or worse the help of an instructor holding mock marriages with a child. Don't you understand the mental and moral consequences. It could be that the girl involved in the wedding would have thought it normal to have such an age gap in marrying a spouse and would possibly believe that she should obey her much older husband because the teacher is an authority figure. Then what if there were homosexual children in the crowd what if they felt that the man girl theme of the wedding portrayed was the "normal" way and were made to feel that they were perverse (just like their mother was telling them at home) for having different feelings. Maybe the homosexual children were attracted to the instructor and felt cast aside, by his public show of heterosexuality. And for those children that had an understanding that marriage was unimportant and that sexual relations were to be unconfined to monogamous relations. These children have the right to have imagination stifled in their learning environment. You really had not thought this through or you would understand just how wrong this type of fun behavior can be to your children. I certainly hope that you will not allow this type of hay making and horse play to take part at your children and you childrens' children's schools. I should think you a jerk that you do not stop playtime and imagination at your local public school even if you not have children since imagination is the most dangerous element to the learning process.


Very sincerely,
riolinda piispots

President

Boronia Reformed Child Welfare Committee




LOL I wonder if this is something like the letter that the school received.
To`na Wanagi
QUOTE (BR. Joseph @ Jul 25 2009, 01:04 AM) *
LOL I wonder if this is something like the letter that the school received.



It is a sad statement of the world of mankind that such childplay has turned into such fear. The paranoia and fear that is propagated and perpetuated in our society by the media, politicians, capitalists, and religious zealots, has certainly taken the fun out of being "just a kid". Remember when we could play outside until dark playing tag and hide and seek? Remember catching fireflies in a jar at night with the neighborhood kids? Remember walking alone to the neighborhood grocery for a soda? Remember what a nice man middle aged, but single, "Uncle George was, or when old, unmarried spinster, Aunt Mary gave us cookies and milk and our parents considered them to be the kindest and gentlest members of our community? Today, I rarely see children playing outside or even associating with their neighbors anymore. They are glued to their techno-gadgets or not allowed to go outside without parental supervision for fear of abduction or pedophilia. And, while these crimes are certainly real, they are the exception and not the rule. But still the children suffer the positions of their parents and current social protocols. They have lost the opportunity to be "just a kid" to run in fields of clover, to play a kid organized game of ball without adult involvement, or to play cross-dress in order to give mommy or daddy a silent message of who they are, or how and what they feel. I long to see the day when the children in our neighborhoods can once again play a game of stick ball in the street and not have to worry about the horrible stories mommy and daddy have told us about the "boogie man". It seems there are more "boogie men" in the world than there are responsible citizens who will watch out for our children. It is a sad soul sickness and a spiritual blight that has befallen this world of mankind. Perhaps that is why our children are locked into a hopeless, helpless hapless mentality. Because we haven't given them these things to consider as options or given them other perspectives to consider. Too bad for us adults because we no longer have the joy of seeing our children romp and play freely as they should.....God's Love and Mercy.....To`na Wanagi
BR. Joseph
You reminded me about when I was in 7th and 8th grade and we stopped by an older couples house to play with their cats. Really we were entertaining the couple that was lonely and well they were kinda cool and all. My parents asked why we were coming home late and when we told them that we stopped to play with the old couples cats for a half hours on the way home they thought nothing of it. I don't even think they thought to go check out the old couple. I wonder what parents now would do if my parents were letting kids stop by on the way home from school. Really, today we live in paranoia and we are pushing it on our kids too.


priestofthemoon
Ahuk dear School system I we the parents are outraged by your enlighteing educational lesson in life you gave our children
don't you know our children are dummers who have no authority to determine right from wrong....why if we took responsibility for our own children then we might realize what miserable parents we have been. It's downright unneccisary to prepare our future ti succeed we'll simply let them blunder around in ignorance until they're pregnant at seventeen what pride i'll feel. To the matter at hand cease, and desist all education that doesn't involve extremely boring desk work. No smiling either, and finally no fun they are only children after all.
Burn in H-E-double hockey sticks
concerned doofus parent

This'll be a good letter don't you think maybe i'm being to kind....
Penny J Ragan
QUOTE (To`na Wanagi @ Jul 25 2009, 07:11 AM) *
It is a sad statement of the world of mankind that such childplay has turned into such fear. The paranoia and fear that is propagated and perpetuated in our society by the media, politicians, capitalists, and religious zealots, has certainly taken the fun out of being "just a kid". Remember when we could play outside until dark playing tag and hide and seek? Remember catching fireflies in a jar at night with the neighborhood kids? Remember walking alone to the neighborhood grocery for a soda? Remember what a nice man middle aged, but single, "Uncle George was, or when old, unmarried spinster, Aunt Mary gave us cookies and milk and our parents considered them to be the kindest and gentlest members of our community? Today, I rarely see children playing outside or even associating with their neighbors anymore. They are glued to their techno-gadgets or not allowed to go outside without parental supervision for fear of abduction or pedophilia. And, while these crimes are certainly real, they are the exception and not the rule. But still the children suffer the positions of their parents and current social protocols. They have lost the opportunity to be "just a kid" to run in fields of clover, to play a kid organized game of ball without adult involvement, or to play cross-dress in order to give mommy or daddy a silent message of who they are, or how and what they feel. I long to see the day when the children in our neighborhoods can once again play a game of stick ball in the street and not have to worry about the horrible stories mommy and daddy have told us about the "boogie man". It seems there are more "boogie men" in the world than there are responsible citizens who will watch out for our children. It is a sad soul sickness and a spiritual blight that has befallen this world of mankind. Perhaps that is why our children are locked into a hopeless, helpless hapless mentality. Because we haven't given them these things to consider as options or given them other perspectives to consider. Too bad for us adults because we no longer have the joy of seeing our children romp and play freely as they should.....God's Love and Mercy.....To`na Wanagi


AMEN TO THAT SISTER. Children need to be children not terrified of life.
Penny J Ragan
QUOTE (BR. Joseph @ Jul 25 2009, 02:04 AM) *
LOL I wonder if this is something like the letter that the school received.



Remind me not to move to Boronia- All this time I thought Sesame Street was a good thing. If I remember correctly, they used imagination to teach. My son knew his ABCs by the time he was two.. Taught through imagination...hummm perhaps I am a bad Parent...

BR. Joseph
Oh no Sesame Street has been amended and now your child will know how to fluently speak Spanish; but the English alphabet is not something they learn until 5 now. So It is ok to watch sesame street since it teaches a minority language to everyone and the rest of the imagination is gone as they are gradually replacing old worn out characters like Cookie Monster with real life people with real life problems that do not teach over eating and messy behavior to our already medication needing and fat children.
To`na Wanagi
[quote name='BR. Joseph' date='Jul 26 2009, 10:20 PM' post='21376']
"your child will know how to fluently speak Spanish; but the English alphabet is not something they learn until 5 now. "it teaches a minority language to everyone and the rest of the imagination is gone"

About 2 years ago the Hispanic population exceeded the white population in the US, so they can no longer be considered a minority. The smallest minority group in the US still remains to be the American Indian which only gained "minority status" a few years ago, that is to say at least 1% of the total population. And that was only acheived by the US government including Pacific Islanders and Alaskan Natives. Prior to then the Indigenous People of this country did not even qualify as a minority, representing less than 1% of the population.

So, Br. Joseph, Spanish can no longer be considered a "minority language". Besides, we Americans have all but slaughtered the English language anyway. We might as well give one of the romantic languages a chances. "Yo dude, what it is to yo momma daddy, for real. Dig it?" I mean, come on! Ebonics, ghetto, valley girl, text language, and every other nomenclature one can ascribe to our language to diminish the eloquence and articulation English once enjoyed is gone. Maybe it's time to move over and let someone else take a shot at doing it right? I heard there is a movement to teach a certain Chinese dialect in the schools now because they are projecting the current industrialization of China will require the whole world to modify all the languages into one world dialect. Hmmmm....A brave new Orwellian world right at our doorstep. Big brother is alive a well on Planet Earth! ph34r.gif .....God's Peace.....To`na wanagi
Number Seven
When I was about 8 or 9 years old, a friend of mine wanted to have a wedding for two of her stuffed animals. Her father was a pastor, so he let me borrow his black robe so I could officiate. We had a lovely ceremony. I think wanting to stage play weddings is as natural as playing dress up with dolls. There are even "wedding Barbies" in full bridal regalia and such.

The teacher's main mistake was that he allowed himself to be a participant instead of an advisor, or perhaps even an officiant, if he was really wanting to play as well. We would think it was sort of strange (though not *wrong*) for a teacher to sit down with his students and play at marrying Barbie and Ken.
BR. Joseph
QUOTE (To`na Wanagi @ Jul 27 2009, 05:05 AM) *
QUOTE (BR. Joseph @ Jul 26 2009, 10:20 PM) *

"your child will know how to fluently speak Spanish; but the English alphabet is not something they learn until 5 now. "it teaches a minority language to everyone and the rest of the imagination is gone"


About 2 years ago the Hispanic population exceeded the white population in the US, so they can no longer be considered a minority. The smallest minority group in the US still remains to be the American Indian which only gained "minority status" a few years ago, that is to say at least 1% of the total population. And that was only acheived by the US government including Pacific Islanders and Alaskan Natives. Prior to then the Indigenous People of this country did not even qualify as a minority, representing less than 1% of the population.

So, Br. Joseph, Spanish can no longer be considered a "minority language". Besides, we Americans have all but slaughtered the English language anyway. We might as well give one of the romantic languages a chances. "Yo dude, what it is to yo momma daddy, for real. Dig it?" I mean, come on! Ebonics, ghetto, valley girl, text language, and every other nomenclature one can ascribe to our language to diminish the eloquence and articulation English once enjoyed is gone. Maybe it's time to move over and let someone else take a shot at doing it right? I heard there is a movement to teach a certain Chinese dialect in the schools now because they are projecting the current industrialization of China will require the whole world to modify all the languages into one world dialect. Hmmmm....A brave new Orwellian world right at our doorstep. Big brother is alive a well on Planet Earth! ph34r.gif .....God's Peace.....To`na wanagi


You see I would have less problems having children learn Spanish if it wasn't the Mexican dialect they are now teaching. It is the ebonics of Spanish and it is terrible that they are not even teaching one region of it in our schools. And whether or not they are a minority I really do not care If they continue to refuse to be Americans rather than klinging to the other nations flag and still demanding that they come in illegally and get all the rights we pay for. I have a nephew that has Hispanic grandparents and that is fine I don't see them as Mexican because even though they make the food and do the dances they are Americans not Mexican in the wrong country.

At least those that fled England did not wish to remain English. they may not have been good to the locals all of the time but at least they didn't try to drag their country over the water to this place. If the Mexicans now outnumber the so called white people why is it that they are still getting minority special treatment and why is it we still don't have more for the Natives, I still see treaties that are overlooked and ignored by our illustrious government. We have no treaties with the illegals and we give the legals no interest loans to start businesses that we ourselves (those of us born in this country) can not seem to get these loans. Why? I think we are the new natives... we are getting walked on by a new invading wave of colonization. Funny how we are not doing much to slow it down.


I still think that the natives should have put the first settlers back to sea. Who needs the puritans anyway obviously they would tend to think me a hieratic or a lunatic either way. The ideals of this nation are great but the way things work are not ideal obviously if the teacher can get in trouble over a mock wedding.


To`na Wanagi
QUOTE (BR. Joseph @ Jul 27 2009, 05:18 PM) *
"At least those that fled England did not wish to remain English. they may not have been good to the locals all of the time but at least they didn't try to drag their country over the water to this place."

But they did. They brought their religions, their philosophies, their ideas of enslavement, their inequality of women and children, and a definite white patriarchal archetype that perpetuated oppression of anyone different than themselves.

"If the Mexicans now outnumber the so called white people why is it that they are still getting minority special treatment and why is it we still don't have more for the Natives, I still see treaties that are overlooked and ignored by our illustrious government."

Because that has been a part of the master plan ever since they landed on this continent. There never was, and never will be, a true intent for Natives to become equals to the strangers of our land. The planned forced assimilation or extermination of Native Americans started long before Washington, although Washington himself had considerable disdain for Indigenous tribes. The foreigners insisted that my people ally themselves with the French, the British, or the Americans. Every conflict between any of these people also invaded and imposed itself into the peaceful settlements of Natives. My people had no desire to ally themselves to a king or president. In fact they had no logical understanding of this type of hierarchy any more than they could conceive of a human actually owning the land. It was an absurdity to us because it was easy enough to understand that no man can own the earth. The earth owns us all in the end. As for the treaties, well they are a joke to every tribe in America. By now we have figured out that the US government has no intention of ever giving us a true sovereignty. The butcher Andrew Jackson summed it up in brief, "The American Indian has no soveriegnty except that which the US government allows."

"We have no treaties with the illegals and we give the legals no interest loans to start businesses that we ourselves (those of us born in this country) can not seem to get these loans. Why? I think we are the new natives... we are getting walked on by a new invading wave of colonization. Funny how we are not doing much to slow it down."

It sure feels different when the shoe is on the other foot, huh?

"I still think that the natives should have put the first settlers back to sea. Who needs the puritans anyway obviously they would tend to think me a hieratic or a lunatic either way. The ideals of this nation are great but the way things work are not ideal obviously if the teacher can get in trouble over a mock wedding."

Well Brother, you know what they say, "The road to heck is paved with good intentions." Yeah, the term "Manifest destiny" is an excuse to commit genocide and impose another of mankinds wills onto another population of people who are deemed inferior. And the worst part of all is that they justify themselves using the name and word of God. And that dear friend is what hurts us Native Americans hearts the most. You see, we had no problem with monotheism. Even though we had animal, plant and stone totems that represented other schools of thought, we all recognized the Wakan Tanka, the Manitou, the Great Spirit, God, as the one and only Spirit of the Universe. And still our heart aches, not over the loss of our homeland, but over the humanization of God. It is the way things are in this world, and all we can do is speak our truth as God reveals it to us and share it with others who are of the same mind/thought.....May God have mercy on us all....To`na Wanagi
BR. Joseph
QUOTE (To`na Wanagi @ Jul 27 2009, 09:14 PM) *
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Granted the Natives are dumped upon on a more frequent basis than most other peoples; but they are also much more respected in some circles than others as well. I guess this also depends on what tribe you belong to as well but In general we would like to think ourselves at least tolerant if not sometimes compelled by fascination.

No 'race' of people are with out sin but it does make you wonder that every time one group figures out their stupidity and starts to behave kindly to others another bully will take its place. And the remark about the shoe being on the other foot well um Non of my family members were ever unkind to the natives. My biological family were a strange bit of refuges after WW2 because of angry and irrational peoples grouping all blond haired blue eyed German military types as evil. Like the slavery issue in the civil war the "Jewish problem" was of insignificant secondary thought for those in the military in general; most were concerned with German national sovereignty others with the concept of the great German empire being reunited. Why is it that the armies had so much difficulty moving beyond Prussia and holding onto France; the answer is that the soldiers had stopped wanting more and simply began following orders. Once your military no longer believes that it is doing what is right it will fall apart. Additionally as the stories of the camps were reaching the troops in the trenches they had additional concerns as many many Germans had friends that were Jewish. the paramilitary government at the time had near communistic control of all radio and propaganda and censored even the mail this is why there will always be those that are in disbelief because they did not see it and there was no knowledge of what was going on in the camps. Much like the camps the west coast Japanese were shipped to in the US.

I dealt with some information while on active duty that sometimes made me wonder about at which point we should have gotten into WW2 in the European front. The Japanese front is clear that we should have been involved several months before Pearl Harbor. Few people still seem to know that Japan actually launched attacks on the Western continental US and there was reason to move at least a few of the Japanese people in the US to where there would A) be no greater harm to them and cool.gif the few spies that were had a more difficult time of it when they were with out travel permits. But then that's only the information I had to go on (slightly more than the next guy though). The camps may have helped that the Japanese attacks ended up being less than successful; we will not know for sure before we are dead ourselves.
priestofthemoon
Ah spare me everybody holds to the clinging of the wrongs done to them from centuries past, the black harvard professor lived cushier than most, and he cried race, and lost because they proved their case, blacks are mad because of slavery, and a few backwoods red necks, native americans cry out because of the mistakes of our fore fathers, and we are no strangers we are born into this land. The jewish have always been hated by everyone for succeeding (How dare they...?) Well I have three quarters german in me so i'm mad about the roman campaign in germania where they invaded the tribes and enslaved, and conquored and destroyed the native religion so there i'll join on the band wagon. Honestly native americans even in older movies were seen as strong nobile, wise warriors with a rich culture who proudly resisted their enemies against all odds, we have a word for people who do that today....heroes. As for the blacks in america what country short of the continent of africa itself emulates the black culture, and particularly the styles of rap, and hip hop culture I don't want to say black people since many have helped develop that culture, but black guys are emulated by many, thier lingo is absorbed into our speech, and today despite those back alley rednecks both groups are highly respected. You get scholarships for being you, and imagine if we suggested a white pride month, or white history month we'd never stop hearing of it, and the native american teachings have spread throughout our culture your music has found a place in almost every american home, and indians are loved by children (I played both the cowboy, and the indian as a kid) so let's drop the martyr complexes everyone carries around otherwise you'll all hear how im mad because of the roman invasion of germania.... dry.gif
To`na Wanagi
QUOTE (priestofthemoon @ Jul 28 2009, 04:58 PM) *
Ah spare me everybody holds to the clinging of the wrongs done to them from centuries past, the black harvard professor lived cushier than most, and he cried race, and lost because they proved their case, blacks are mad because of slavery, and a few backwoods red necks, native americans cry out because of the mistakes of our fore fathers, and we are no strangers we are born into this land. The jewish have always been hated by everyone for succeeding (How dare they...?) Well I have three quarters german in me so i'm mad about the roman campaign in germania where they invaded the tribes and enslaved, and conquored and destroyed the native religion so there i'll join on the band wagon. Honestly native americans even in older movies were seen as strong nobile, wise warriors with a rich culture who proudly resisted their enemies against all odds, we have a word for people who do that today....heroes. As for the blacks in america what country short of the continent of africa itself emulates the black culture, and particularly the styles of rap, and hip hop culture I don't want to say black people since many have helped develop that culture, but black guys are emulated by many, thier lingo is absorbed into our speech, and today despite those back alley rednecks both groups are highly respected. You get scholarships for being you, and imagine if we suggested a white pride month, or white history month we'd never stop hearing of it, and the native american teachings have spread throughout our culture your music has found a place in almost every american home, and indians are loved by children (I played both the cowboy, and the indian as a kid) so let's drop the martyr complexes everyone carries around otherwise you'll all hear how im mad because of the roman invasion of germania.... dry.gif



History lessons are critical to the evolution of mankind, body, emotions, mind, and spirit. If we forget the mistakes and misdeeds of the past then we will be doomed to repeat history and relive the atrocities all over again. The more archival documentation that is discovered, the closer we get to the real truth. I make no apologies for these discussions and find them rather enlightening. How about you Br. Joseph?....God's Peace.....To`na Wanagi
priestofthemoon
I grow concerned with the ever dominant martyr complex I am drowning in. Witches are mad at the world for the burning times, and make up ridiculous figures of the atrocities commited that they got few ral witches matters not in the least, and that they themselves we're never in those times matters not in the least to them. I have been told that a white man can never work in a chineese food restaurant because he can't do it right, i have been called racist because I shave my hair until it's three eights of an inch, and everybody who knows me knows I couldn't care less about race, sex, gender, sexual orientation....I care more about accents than that kind of superflous nonsense we are all the same race homosapien emerged from the ape family. To split ourselves up is to be split, and always have a barrier between myself, and others. It is foolish, and wasteful by the way I have roman blood in me as well according to my pedigree, and stories of my ancestors passed down so i'm also mad at the gaul for sacking rome, and ransoming it for 10000 pounds of black pepper as well. angry.gif dry.gif tongue.gif have peace, and prosperity as usual.
BR. Joseph
shhhh, I understand completely the martyrdom issues that many face but you must also understand that there are still issues that are left untended.

Frankly, I have never given a darn about race and I have more reason to care than most as I am a pure blood and my only fully biological brother was adopted by the chief of the confederated tribes. I have close friends that I frequently overlook that they are 'black' and a nephew that is clearly half Mexican. The person that I most looked up to in the service was either a woman renamed Dragon Lady or a man from the Dominican republic named Max. Both had to over come sever prejudiced and did so with out becoming bitter. Both actually liked me despite I was born out of what they had once been forced to overcome their opposition.

There are some very recent issues of humans mistreating humans and wrong each other that need to be redressed and to dismiss any ones cries as pure racial martyrdom is asinine. Not that many are false cries from someone just wanting an unfair leg up.

To`na Wanagi's claims/complaints are valid and real and in many areas still happen even more than "white" violence on "blacks".
To`na Wanagi
QUOTE (BR. Joseph @ Jul 29 2009, 03:55 AM) *
shhhh, I understand completely the martyrdom issues that many face but you must also understand that there are still issues that are left untended.

Frankly, I have never given a darn about race and I have more reason to care than most as I am a pure blood and my only fully biological brother was adopted by the chief of the confederated tribes. I have close friends that I frequently overlook that they are 'black' and a nephew that is clearly half Mexican. The person that I most looked up to in the service was either a woman renamed Dragon Lady or a man from the Dominican republic named Max. Both had to over come sever prejudiced and did so with out becoming bitter. Both actually liked me despite I was born out of what they had once been forced to overcome their opposition.

There are some very recent issues of humans mistreating humans and wrong each other that need to be redressed and to dismiss any ones cries as pure racial martyrdom is asinine. Not that many are false cries from someone just wanting an unfair leg up.

To`na Wanagi's claims/complaints are valid and real and in many areas still happen even more than "white" violence on "blacks".



What I ask, and expect, from the human race is honesty and truth about what is, or is not. I don't want a one-sided appraisal of the events of history, nor of this common day. Both are packed with lies and hypocrisy. When I left the Chicagoland area to return to the rez, many people knew lived in the lies they were taught in history class and asked me if we were going to live in a tipi, and whether or not we still wore feathers and animal skins, and they were very serious in asking these questions! Most people in this country have the glamorized version of Hollywoood when it comes to Indians. Nothing is further from the truth. And when I was growing up, the logo we saw printed everywhere was, "The only good Indian is a dead one". And the only good Indian on TV was Tonto who was subservient to his white counterpart. I am able to address my concerns about what is going on in this day because I live on the rez. And believe me, in today's world, many of my own people have become Indian Benedict Arnolds for the love of money and power while claiming to have the interests of their tribes at heart. Nothing is further from the truth and they are full of lies to their own people. That is not to say the US government does not continue its policy of forced assimilation or extermination, because it most certainly does in a very subtle and obscured way. The truth of that is not out there because most Americans know very little about the real Native Americans and their lifestyles, religious culture, or social orders which are very complex.

Anyone who knows me knows that I am fair and objective but also rigorously honest and truthful to all sides of any given dynamic or interpersonal action. I speak to the injustices of my people because I live within that circle. And by no means is this the only one I see. I see it in every walk of life and in some of the populations that most people forget about, the homeless, the mentally ill, the prostitutes, the addict and alcoholic. They come in all colors, genders, and vocations but are frequently overlooked by a society that would prefer to pretend they don't exist in our "land of the free and home of the brave" because then we would have to admit to the rest of the world that, "Oh my! Our dirty laundry is showing!" So long as this world lives in the denial of its putrid history, it will never succeessfully overcome the bigotries and prejudices that have plagued it for thousands of years and continue to this day. And why? Because of some foolish man's pride and ego. Yeah, sometimes the truth hurts, and good medicine tastes bad. I don't live in an ivory tower, I live in reality and truth. And whether or not I am well received by others is no concern of mine. I am accountable only to God as He directs my paths. It is part of my ministry, part of my heritage being a descendant of the Prophet Handsome Lake, and part of who I am as a compassionate and caring human being who abhors oppression and bigotry. I will continue my assault on the injustices that prevail in this world without shame or guilt, because I truly love my neighbors as myself. And if this is true, then I must love myself enough to want the very best for others as well. They deserve the truth.....God's Peace......To`na Wanagi
Penny J Ragan
QUOTE (To`na Wanagi @ Jul 29 2009, 07:32 AM) *
What I ask, and expect, from the human race is honesty and truth about what is, or is not. I don't want a one-sided appraisal of the events of history, nor of this common day. Both are packed with lies and hypocrisy. When I left the Chicagoland area to return to the rez, many people knew lived in the lies they were taught in history class and asked me if we were going to live in a tipi, and whether or not we still wore feathers and animal skins, and they were very serious in asking these questions! Most people in this country have the glamorized version of Hollywoood when it comes to Indians. Nothing is further from the truth. And when I was growing up, the logo we saw printed everywhere was, "The only good Indian is a dead one". And the only good Indian on TV was Tonto who was subservient to his white counterpart. I am able to address my concerns about what is going on in this day because I live on the rez. And believe me, in today's world, many of my own people have become Indian Benedict Arnolds for the love of money and power while claiming to have the interests of their tribes at heart. Nothing is further from the truth and they are full of lies to their own people. That is not to say the US government does not continue its policy of forced assimilation or extermination, because it most certainly does in a very subtle and obscured way. The truth of that is not out there because most Americans know very little about the real Native Americans and their lifestyles, religious culture, or social orders which are very complex.

Anyone who knows me knows that I am fair and objective but also rigorously honest and truthful to all sides of any given dynamic or interpersonal action. I speak to the injustices of my people because I live within that circle. And by no means is this the only one I see. I see it in every walk of life and in some of the populations that most people forget about, the homeless, the mentally ill, the prostitutes, the addict and alcoholic. They come in all colors, genders, and vocations but are frequently overlooked by a society that would prefer to pretend they don't exist in our "land of the free and home of the brave" because then we would have to admit to the rest of the world that, "Oh my! Our dirty laundry is showing!" So long as this world lives in the denial of its putrid history, it will never succeessfully overcome the bigotries and prejudices that have plagued it for thousands of years and continue to this day. And why? Because of some foolish man's pride and ego. Yeah, sometimes the truth hurts, and good medicine tastes bad. I don't live in an ivory tower, I live in reality and truth. And whether or not I am well received by others is no concern of mine. I am accountable only to God as He directs my paths. It is part of my ministry, part of my heritage being a descendant of the Prophet Handsome Lake, and part of who I am as a compassionate and caring human being who abhors oppression and bigotry. I will continue my assault on the injustices that prevail in this world without shame or guilt, because I truly love my neighbors as myself. And if this is true, then I must love myself enough to want the very best for others as well. They deserve the truth.....God's Peace......To`na Wanagi



Lanny Bassham a fascinating person and Olympic Gold Metal Winner in Rifle Shooting wrote an inspiring book called “With Winning in Mind” cool.gif . Lanny said you should never focus on the times you missed the target. You just focus on the times you hit the target.. If you focus on the misses you will miss if you focus on the hits you will hit.

He used this powerful analogy to explain how to successfully accomplish goals in life. In addition with the lessons learned in ph34r.gif ph34r.gif “The Secret” or “What the bleep do we know” You come to understand that one of the reasons we have so many frustrating problems in this Great World that seem to keep repeating themselves has to do with that fact that people continue to repeatedly focus on the problems not the solutions.

The more you focus on what you do not want the more you get what you do not want. Likewise the more you focus on what you want the more you will get what you want.

Simple right.

Someone asked Mother Teresa one day if she would join in rally against War. She replied No, but if you have a Rally for Peace than I will join.

The truth about it is you will find injustice in this world. Even against Woman in which often gets ignored. Sense most jobs lost during this recession or depression had been male dominated jobs men now take on more female dominated jobs. Guess what in many of these originally female dominated jobs the men get paid more than woman. They do so for no more of a reason than there men. Should people complain about that problem or make an improvement by focusing on the solution?

Yes there’s still some injustice against Native Americans, there’s still some injustice against Blacks, There’s still some injustice against Woman and against Homosexuals. Guess what everybody believe it or not there is even some injustice against “WHITE MEN”. Therefore everyone has something to complain about if they so choose. You can certainly do that if you wish. Or you can improve the situation by focusing on and working towards a solution.

Isn’t it better to learn from the past than “Let It Go” when we refuse to “Let It Go” we are doomed to repeat it. Do you want that?

Yesterday I woke up in a real “Bad Mood” in tears and over sensitive; I did not want to do the minister thing. I remember feeling like taking off my ULC pin and taking the ULC Clergy Badge off my Purse and not being the Minister that day.

However God told me…Yes God who Speaks To All Of Us If We Just Listen. You Know That Strong Feeling You Get, That Voice You Hear That Pull the Tug that we often ignore because we don’t recognize the source and we don’t have enough confidence in ourselves. That Feeling That Voice That Tug told me I know you don’t want to be a Minister today but today you need it the most.

Even though I really didn’t want to ware my Minister Pin and I did not want to have my ULC Clergy Badge on my Purse I knew I needed it. This day I felt more like I’m Demon Possessed than God Blessed. I expressed and felt some real low level emotions. However, sense I choose to Follow That Voice, That feeling, that tug. Each time something mean, fowl and/or cruel came out of my Mouth I caught it. I kept the Main focus on my connection with my Creator although I didn’t feel like it. Like a Miracle I caught the destructive hateful energy the phenomenal connection of my Creator gently guided me back to where I needed. (For those who wonder why I turned into a grouchy sensitive b-word etc. I’m a 47 year old Woman the time for change has come glory be.)

My Point is No matter how hard it got for me no matter what went wrong I kept my focus on where it needed. When I felt angry, bitter, and upset my creator gently nudged me back to “the solution”. In no way do I say ignore these feelings like I am not saying forget the past. I am saying with emotions deal with the cause focus on the solutions than let it go. With the past remember the cause focus on the solution than Let It Go.

We sew good seeds we weep good seeds, we sew bad seeds than guess what comes out.

Above all it’s Urgent to remember the remarkable healing Power of God that’s best done when we stand out of God’s way… We do that when we leave the Problem in God’s hands as We work Towards the Solution.

I say love, I say focus on solutions I say Learn… Sincerely Reverend Penny.

To`na Wanagi
QUOTE (Penny J Ragan @ Jul 29 2009, 09:31 PM) *
Lanny Bassham a fascinating person and Olympic Gold Metal Winner in Rifle Shooting wrote an inspiring book called “With Winning in Mind” cool.gif . Lanny said you should never focus on the times you missed the target. You just focus on the times you hit the target.. If you focus on the misses you will miss if you focus on the hits you will hit.

He used this powerful analogy to explain how to successfully accomplish goals in life. In addition with the lessons learned in ph34r.gif ph34r.gif “The Secret” or “What the bleep do we know” You come to understand that one of the reasons we have so many frustrating problems in this Great World that seem to keep repeating themselves has to do with that fact that people continue to repeatedly focus on the problems not the solutions.

The more you focus on what you do not want the more you get what you do not want. Likewise the more you focus on what you want the more you will get what you want.

Simple right.

Someone asked Mother Teresa one day if she would join in rally against War. She replied No, but if you have a Rally for Peace than I will join.

The truth about it is you will find injustice in this world. Even against Woman in which often gets ignored. Sense most jobs lost during this recession or depression had been male dominated jobs men now take on more female dominated jobs. Guess what in many of these originally female dominated jobs the men get paid more than woman. They do so for no more of a reason than there men. Should people complain about that problem or make an improvement by focusing on the solution?

Yes there’s still some injustice against Native Americans, there’s still some injustice against Blacks, There’s still some injustice against Woman and against Homosexuals. Guess what everybody believe it or not there is even some injustice against “WHITE MEN”. Therefore everyone has something to complain about if they so choose. You can certainly do that if you wish. Or you can improve the situation by focusing on and working towards a solution.

Isn’t it better to learn from the past than “Let It Go” when we refuse to “Let It Go” we are doomed to repeat it. Do you want that?

Yesterday I woke up in a real “Bad Mood” in tears and over sensitive; I did not want to do the minister thing. I remember feeling like taking off my ULC pin and taking the ULC Clergy Badge off my Purse and not being the Minister that day.

However God told me…Yes God who Speaks To All Of Us If We Just Listen. You Know That Strong Feeling You Get, That Voice You Hear That Pull the Tug that we often ignore because we don’t recognize the source and we don’t have enough confidence in ourselves. That Feeling That Voice That Tug told me I know you don’t want to be a Minister today but today you need it the most.

Even though I really didn’t want to ware my Minister Pin and I did not want to have my ULC Clergy Badge on my Purse I knew I needed it. This day I felt more like I’m Demon Possessed than God Blessed. I expressed and felt some real low level emotions. However, sense I choose to Follow That Voice, That feeling, that tug. Each time something mean, fowl and/or cruel came out of my Mouth I caught it. I kept the Main focus on my connection with my Creator although I didn’t feel like it. Like a Miracle I caught the destructive hateful energy the phenomenal connection of my Creator gently guided me back to where I needed. (For those who wonder why I turned into a grouchy sensitive b-word etc. I’m a 47 year old Woman the time for change has come glory be.)

My Point is No matter how hard it got for me no matter what went wrong I kept my focus on where it needed. When I felt angry, bitter, and upset my creator gently nudged me back to “the solution”. In no way do I say ignore these feelings like I am not saying forget the past. I am saying with emotions deal with the cause focus on the solutions than let it go. With the past remember the cause focus on the solution than Let It Go.

We sew good seeds we weep good seeds, we sew bad seeds than guess what comes out.

Above all it’s Urgent to remember the remarkable healing Power of God that’s best done when we stand out of God’s way… We do that when we leave the Problem in God’s hands as We work Towards the Solution.

I say love, I say focus on solutions I say Learn… Sincerely Reverend Penny.



I think you have missed the point. Jesus of Nazareth was one of the greatest social and political activists of all times. He did not shirk from speaking of the evils in this world and He called them by name. He is also my teacher and guide. He instructs us concerning social justice issues as well as cautioning us about gving to Caesar what is Caesar's, and giving to God what is God's. It has been said the best way for evil to find victory is for good people to do nothing. This is also called complacency, apathy, or indifference. I do not believe in taking my leisure and comfort, resting on my laurels while the rest of the world suffers injustice. Jesus would surely call me to task if I were to consider doing nothing. Sorry Penny, your theory may work for you, but that's not what I know to be the solution. Let go and let God is an AA cliche' that I am very familiar with. But it, like so many other verses of wisdom are more often than not, misconstrued and misinterpreted. I am happy, joyous and free because I am responsible and accountable to God as He directs my paths. I live by faith and have no regrets for doing so. God is always just and righteous to deliver what is my due.....And His grace is sufficient.....God's Peace....To`na Wanagi
priestofthemoon
When god speaks it isn't through words, and his lessons are brutal. His rewards are slight, but in the end the best of rewards for putting up with all of the muck, and the dissappointment are worth it according to many so now I think, and i'll pose this question can an imperfect being such as myself hope to understand the complexities of god who is perfect seeing as how nothing in the world is perfect we have no measuring stick which is important to everyone it helps us react appropriately. I tend to think god, and the goddess are merciful, and compassionate, and the trials we face are of our own making compounded by our inability to flow. maybe the world can simply burn i'll flow.
To`na Wanagi
[quote name='priestofthemoon' date='Jul 30 2009, 05:19 AM' post='21421']
When god speaks it isn't through words, and his lessons are brutal. His rewards are slight, but in the end the best of rewards for putting up with all of the muck, and the dissappointment are worth it according to many so now I think, and i'll pose this question can an imperfect being such as myself hope to understand the complexities of god who is perfect........"

A human linguist is used so that we may understand the languages of various cultures. Would not God also then be able to communicate His thoughts with clarity into our minds? Can He not transcribe His thoughts into a simpler form that humans can comprehend recognizing our limitations?

".....seeing as how nothing in the world is perfect..... "


The whales are perfect. The wolf is perfect. The birds of the air are perfect. The grass and lilies of the fields are perfect. The stones are perfect. All of Creation was perfect until man's free will corrupted this perfection.

"we have no measuring stick which is important to everyone it helps us react appropriately........"

But we do. We have Jesus of Nazareth, Mohammed, Buddha, Mahatma Ghandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., Nelson Mandela as measuring sticks of what virtue and righteousness might look like.


"I tend to think god, and the goddess are merciful, and compassionate, and the trials we face are of our own making"........

I do too, through the inappropriate use of our free will.


......." compounded by our inability to flow."......


Not inability,... reluctance, refusal, and willfulness.

....... "maybe the world can simply burn i'll flow."


I will continue to speak of a higher calling and plane of thinking in an effort to open the eyes and ears of as many who can see and will listen. Of this, I am responsible to do God's work and accountable for the words and actions I commit to Him. It is a great path and His rewards are much greater than slight. It is all in how one perceives the gifts He provides to us. I would hate to see the world burn so long as there is hope that any might be saved from themselves. But those who do burn in righteousness will not do so in vain. By their examples they have changed the world, if even but a little. And for that, to them I am grateful......God's Peace and Love.....To`na Wanagi
Number Seven
QUOTE (To`na Wanagi @ Jul 27 2009, 07:05 AM) *
Besides, we Americans have all but slaughtered the English language anyway.


What, prithee? Americans doth rend the tongue? Thinkest ye so?
Penny J Ragan
QUOTE (To`na Wanagi @ Jul 29 2009, 11:06 PM) *
I think you have missed the point. Jesus of Nazareth was one of the greatest social and political activists of all times. He did not shirk from speaking of the evils in this world and He called them by name. He is also my teacher and guide. He instructs us concerning social justice issues as well as cautioning us about gving to Caesar what is Caesar's, and giving to God what is God's. It has been said the best way for evil to find victory is for good people to do nothing. This is also called complacency, apathy, or indifference. I do not believe in taking my leisure and comfort, resting on my laurels while the rest of the world suffers injustice. Jesus would surely call me to task if I were to consider doing nothing. Sorry Penny, your theory may work for you, but that's not what I know to be the solution. Let go and let God is an AA cliche' that I am very familiar with. But it, like so many other verses of wisdom are more often than not, misconstrued and misinterpreted. I am happy, joyous and free because I am responsible and accountable to God as He directs my paths. I live by faith and have no regrets for doing so. God is always just and righteous to deliver what is my due.....And His grace is sufficient.....God's Peace....To`na Wanagi




I am sorry you misunderstood what I am trying to say. I whole heartedly agree that you need to do what feels right for you. I am no way saying do nothing. I am saying instead of focusing on the problem work towards the solution.

When you focus on the problem like a festering wound the problem gets worse. Really don’t we want a revolutionary solution that improves life and not the problem that creates mayhem? Solutions feel wonderful problems feel sticky horrible. When you focus on the solution and leave the problem with God than God will solve the problem.

An example among other things I am a Hypnotist. 6 years ago I hypnotized myself to stop smoking. Amazingly enough I seldom crave a cigarette and hardly ever think of one.

As a Hypnotist I am aware of “danger zones” in other words getting myself in a position where I smoked when I was there last. That could trigger a desire for a cigarette.

3 years ago we planed a vacation to Ohio the place of my birth and where I spent my childhood. I knew I would show my husband the places that held special memories for me. That of course would include the high school I went to. I knew I would show him the outside smoking area and that could trigger a desire for a cigarette “Danger Zone” for an x smoker.

Instead of focusing on the problem I became aware of it and focused on the solution. The solution of course meant I had to once again use self hypnosis. Through self hypnosis I am in my safety zone as I brought myself mentality in that smoking area with Tom. With that I’m able to visualize myself with no desire for a cigarette while in the smoking area or at any other time on vacation.

When the time came and we went to Ohio I showed my husband around we went to the smoking area I had no desire for a cigarette. It dawned on me later that like magic the self hypnosis technique I used worked. Occasionally I run into times that something may trigger the desire for a cigarette. When I do instead of focusing on the problem or crying oh no I desire a cigarette what do I do auuuhhh.. That would create a greater desire. That’s when I focus on the solution and I remember why I stopped smoking to begin with. In remembering why I stopped smoking my desire would go away.

Now my husband I hypnotized him to stop smoking and for 6 months he had success. However he kept saying to himself “gee I wonder why I don’t need a cigarette”. If you know anything about hypnosis hypnotist tend to avoid words such as don’t, or no, because its common to farz on those word. In other words its better to say I will remember too…. Whatever your should remember you will be more successful than to say don’t forget because you tend to remember forget. Therefore because he kept thinking about why he doesn’t need a cigarette he focused his mind on cigarettes and he ended up smoking again.

Had he not made that drastic mistake and instead substituted his thought about cigarettes. If he had focused on something else or at least the benefits of not smoking he would have been more successful.

In no way am I saying Do Nothing. However I would advise not to waste time fixing the past. That only makes things more difficult because the past has come and gone you can’t do anything about it except learn from it. I am aware that you have done many wonderful things to create a better future and working on the now that I greatly admire.

The greatest success always comes from solutions not problems. Therefore the truth about fixing problems consists of focusing on and working towards solutions. When you focus on and work towards solutions God will take care of the problems. I can go on I hope I don’t find need to as I hope you understand what I am saying. God Bless Sincerely Reverend Penny.

To`na Wanagi
QUOTE (Number Seven @ Jul 30 2009, 07:42 AM) *
What, prithee? Americans doth rend the tongue? Thinkest ye so?


laugh.gif !!!! Too funny!....God's Peace....To`na Wanagi
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