I just recieved an email from a friend concerned that my online ordainment is not valid and all the marriages ive done weren't valid as well. Please give me some insight.

Aaron
eronzero@yahoo.com

Contact the county clerk and find out what the laws are in your jurisdiction and wherever you have performed marriages. It might also be helpful to contact your state legislators and request them to investigate the legality of your ordination. You can also find much of the information on the internet and some information here on this board. Good Luck to you....God's Peace....To`na Wanagi

here's the email I sent to the author of this topic any one else with questions can benefit from this thought as well
Hello so you're wondering about the validity of your internet ordination aren't you. Firstly I would like to point out that no founder of any world religion that i'm aware of has ever been to a seminary most were in fact illiterate withe the exception of buddhism because the buddha was a nobleman, and therefore was probably educated. According to the constitution the government shall make no law respecting the validity of any religion which means they have no say in ordination. Depending upon which state you live in the laws are different requiring you to have a steady congregation, and weekly services, to become liscensed, both of which they have no buisness doing, and only do so they can collect money but that is a side point. The right to ordain others is exclusively the province of the governing body of the church in question, and as such the monastery can ordain whoever they wish whenever they wish for however long they wish which is why in york county pensylvania there's the confrontation between the monasterys lawyers, and the state. They have no right to make policy on that as it would violate the nations highest laws. So yes your ordination is legal, and valid because legality has nothing to do with it ordination is a state of being called to religious leadership by god, and not the state. As for your marriages the clerk of the supreme court has more information. the state of north carolinas websites. http://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/St...51/GS_51-1.html and On the website there's a list of laws by state http://www.themonastery.org/?destination=u...aryMarriageLaws
I hope this helps some individuals think there's more to ordination than that it says in the bible john chapter 15 verse 16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. This is king james version all of the other versions have similar lines, but this helps somewhat.

Yours in Darkness
Rev. Lord Night Wolf

While Priest of he Mooon's post is philosophically correct, we are remanded to the laws of the state in which we live. And, as to whether or not the ULC ordination is deemed legal in your state, this is a civil issue and not a religious one. If indeed NC does not respect the ordination of the ULC, then it can legally question the validity of any marriage a ULC minister has performed. It can become a messy litigation in the courts, just as PA is experiencing. So, while I agree with the philosophical position of Priest of the Moon, I cannot in good conscience tell you that marriages performed in a state that does not recognize online ordinations as legal, will consider the marriages to be valid either. Our Terms of Service at the ULC require us to abide by the laws of our state. That does not mean we cannot challenge those laws, or that we have to agree with those laws, but we must take the proper steps to acheive our goal of being recognized as ordained ministers. It is part of our creed of doing "that which is right". But it is up to you how you choose to approach it. First of all, I would take the time to discover whether your friend knows what he/she is talking about. It might be that NC has no problem with the ULC. So, I would advise you to do your homework before you throw the baby out with the bathwater. Good Luck and let us know how everything comes out. Your information will help others on this site as well....God's Peace....To`na Wanagi

I completely agree that's why the second part is there with the link to the NC Statute concerning marriages odd though how the highest laws are trodden on by the lowliest of public servants...will wonders never cease....oh well

If you are in a state that says that one religious credential is not as worthy as another there is always the option to file in federal court and have those lessor states rethink how they wish to walk all over the constitutional law.

There are 2 sets of law in this country and the over riding is the constitutional law. All other codes and statutes must bow out to the constitution or those enforcing the lesser code over the law may indeed be asked to pay a very high price.

Read title 18 section 242.


Though it is frequently cheaper to ask the local clerk or magistrate what the local ordinances are rather than making a noise and fuss only to find out you got information from the wrong friend telling you the wrong thing.

Please be advised;

The ULC Monastery is working diligently to correct this discriminative practice. The ULC is looking for a plaintiff who is a resident of the State of North Carolina who is willing to express damages in court.

Also, If you have the name of a reputable Constitutional Attorney in North Carolina we will gladly retain that attorney to represent you. We have sent letters to the Governor of North Carolina in addition to conversations with the Attorney General, and it is apparent that North Carolina expects us to take legal action against them in order to overturn State law and enforce the rules and laws of the Constitution of the United States.

Please send us an email at webmaster@themonastery.org, include your name and phone number and let's "Do the right thing", it is time to stand up for your beliefs and values.

The ULC Monastery's Administrative Office may be reached by phone at 206-285-1086 or by fax at 206-285-7888.


"We've got to have law and order in this land,
If we're ever going to see the Promised Land.
We may never get to come this way again;
We're not living by the laws of the Constitution,
Somebody got to come up with a better solution."

-Love Committee (1978)

Dear Brother Jacob,

Please remember that in the United States of America, statutes are not Law as they are to be subservient to the Law which is expressed in both state and US constitution. Any statute or uniform code that violates the constitution is not and never will be law; but rather these statutes and codes are violations of constitutional rights guaranteed by the Law. As such They must be overturned and those attempting to enforce these under the color of law must be punished under the Law.

God speed and hopefully those attempting to undo the Law by statute will repent soon or be made mournful under the weight of the Law enforced.