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dattaswami
Krishna is a Myth conveyed by tales and Puranas. Jesus is a historical personality. Why should we accept Krishna?

Ans.) Is there any direct photograph of Jesus? Is there any cassette that recorded the voice of Jesus directly? If you show the birth place and the place of crucifixion of Jesus, we will also show you the birth place, the dancing place etc of Krishna. If you say that twelve disciples have written the preachings of Jesus, the manuscripts of those twelve disciples can be doubted by us also as the manuscripts written by some others in their names. The history is always believed by faith on generation to generation. If you are based on the direct perception only without inference, no history can stand before us. These remarks on other religions hurt others and lead to terrorism finally. Whether Krishna existed or Jesus existed, it is immaterial. You take their messages and see the unity in them. There is only one God in different forms. If you want direct perception, recognize the contemporary human incarnation existing in your generation by conquering the ego and jealousy. If you cannot do that, at least find unity in the religions and follow the universal spirituality. I appreciate even the conservatism, if you stick to your path only without criticizing other religions. It is the worst projection of conservatism to criticize other religions, which is the starting point for cracking the world peace.
2netis
Agreed.

Jesus said: "Whoever has come to understand the world has found a carcass, and whoever has discovered a carcass, of that person, the world is not worthy.

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Jesus' disciples said to him: When will the repose of the dead come about and when will the new world come?" He said to them: What you look forward to has already come, but you do not recognize it."

2netis
dattaswami
QUOTE (2netis @ Jun 21 2009, 10:44 PM) *
Agreed.

Jesus said: "Whoever has come to understand the world has found a carcass, and whoever has discovered a carcass, of that person, the world is not worthy.

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Jesus' disciples said to him: When will the repose of the dead come about and when will the new world come?" He said to them: What you look forward to has already come, but you do not recognize it."

2netis

Both God and world (family) are quite opposite to each other

Gita classifies the two paths : One is North (Devayaana) towards God and the other is South (Pitruyana) towards your family bonds. Here the words North and South are not meant in the sense of directions in space or time. They only mean that both God and world (family) are quite opposite to each other (Duramete Viparite Vishuchi – Veda). When you say that two people are opposite to each other like North and South poles, it does not mean that one person is turned towards North side and other person is turned towards South side! It only means that their attitudes are quite opposite in directions like North and South poles. Thus, the North gate means your attitude or feeling turned towards God from your family. The South gate means your attitude or feeling turned towards your family from God. God competes with your family and tries to find out your true love. Lord Krishna stole the butter from the houses of Gopikas. Some Gopikas were very happy since they are turned towards God from the family. Such Gopikas are standing before the North gate.

The other Gopikas who were turned towards family became angry and fought with Krishna by complaining to His mother. They are standing before the South gate. Even if you are in your house, even you have not taken bath, if you are turned towards God sacrificing your blind love to your family bonds; you are before the North gate of the Lord and reached His temple. Even if you are standing before the North gate of the temple after taking bath in the early hours with selfishness for fruits, you are actually standing in the South gate before the Lord and in fact you have not reached the temple at all. Unless, the tradition is analyzed and the real meaning is revealed, people will be carried on in the wrong direction of the devotion even though the first step that is the recognition of existence of God is attained. Then only they will climb the next step, otherwise they will sit on the first step only through out their lives.

LoraHup
Exactly. You cant simply say someone or something didnt exist because of lack of evidence for it. This can go for any aspect of things, both Biblical and non Biblical. And the Bible in itself is a historical account of Jesus - several books, actually, - and should be viewed as evidence in itself.
LoraHup
I dont think the bible is credible evedience for the existance of Jesus as you well know from the another thread, however I will not say the their was NO Jesus, I belive their was, but not in the way the bible states.
To`na Wanagi
QUOTE (LoraHup @ Nov 30 2009, 09:40 AM) *
I dont think the bible is credible evedience for the existance of Jesus as you well know from the another thread, however I will not say the their was NO Jesus, I belive their was, but not in the way the bible states.




But yet you say in the post above that Jesus was an historical figure and use the Bible as evidence....so which do you adhere to?

BTW, you cannot post nudity on this site....God's Peace.....To`na Wanagi
drcorey
QUOTE (dattaswami @ Jun 20 2009, 11:43 PM) *
Krishna is a Myth conveyed by tales and Puranas. Jesus is a historical personality. Why should we accept Krishna?

Ans.) Is there any direct photograph of Jesus? Is there any cassette that recorded the voice of Jesus directly? If you show the birth place and the place of crucifixion of Jesus, we will also show you the birth place, the dancing place etc of Krishna. If you say that twelve disciples have written the preachings of Jesus, the manuscripts of those twelve disciples can be doubted by us also as the manuscripts written by some others in their names. The history is always believed by faith on generation to generation. If you are based on the direct perception only without inference, no history can stand before us. These remarks on other religions hurt others and lead to terrorism finally. Whether Krishna existed or Jesus existed, it is immaterial. You take their messages and see the unity in them. There is only one God in different forms. If you want direct perception, recognize the contemporary human incarnation existing in your generation by conquering the ego and jealousy. If you cannot do that, at least find unity in the religions and follow the universal spirituality. I appreciate even the conservatism, if you stick to your path only without criticizing other religions. It is the worst projection of conservatism to criticize other religions, which is the starting point for cracking the world peace.


Accept Budda. the party god.

dattaswami
QUOTE (drcorey @ Dec 3 2009, 01:00 AM) *
Accept Budda. the party god.

Critizising other Religions

The Lord is universal but the human beings in the universe differ in their attitudes. The same single Lord adopts a different procedure in a different region and such different procedure appears as a different religion. A few criticize the Lord of other religion. You are criticizing your own Lord of your own religion. The external behavior of the Lord differs due to different internal and external behaviors of the human beings in this universe.

The external form, dress, language, food habits and culture of human beings differ from one region to the other. Accordingly the external form, dress, food habits, language and culture of the Lord also differ to suit that particular region. The internal Lord and the internal essence of the same Lord is one and the same in His different human incarnations which have come in different regions or religions.
DW Suiter
As is written God is not a respector of persons. No one person is respected by God more than another regardless of religious affiliation. God respects all who love truth; seek truth; live by truth. God alone is the Author of this truth. Not mankind nor the religions of mankind.

In the love of God
DW Suiter

QUOTE (dattaswami @ Dec 3 2009, 12:54 AM) *
Critizising other Religions

The Lord is universal but the human beings in the universe differ in their attitudes. The same single Lord adopts a different procedure in a different region and such different procedure appears as a different religion. A few criticize the Lord of other religion. You are criticizing your own Lord of your own religion. The external behavior of the Lord differs due to different internal and external behaviors of the human beings in this universe.

The external form, dress, language, food habits and culture of human beings differ from one region to the other. Accordingly the external form, dress, food habits, language and culture of the Lord also differ to suit that particular region. The internal Lord and the internal essence of the same Lord is one and the same in His different human incarnations which have come in different regions or religions.
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