Michelle.
Full Version: Astronomy and religion.
In reference to our brief chats in the other forum. What does everyone think of Astronomy? I know that Rev.d John aka Guzzik, (thats his dogs name by the way!) had one idiot come up to him and several others who were doing an Astronomy night for local Boy Scouts to get their Astronomy badges and told him that Astronomy was evil becaue the Devil put that stars there to stop us looking at the wonderous things that God had done, John's reply is NOT on record
Michelle.
Michelle.
Yes, quite, best bit is, the idiot spouting of stated he went to St Lukes Evangelical Free Church in Winton.
Problem, thats what MY Church was called when I was first Ordained. He wasn't a happy bunny when he saw the coller and I told him who I was.
Rev.d John
Problem, thats what MY Church was called when I was first Ordained. He wasn't a happy bunny when he saw the coller and I told him who I was.
Rev.d John
Hmmmmm
What exactly do you think the three wise men were....AKA the Maggi. They not only saw the birth of the King of the Jews in the Stars but forsaw his death...this is the reason they brought Merr an incense used for funerals.
Mitakuye Oyasin
Rick
What exactly do you think the three wise men were....AKA the Maggi. They not only saw the birth of the King of the Jews in the Stars but forsaw his death...this is the reason they brought Merr an incense used for funerals.
Mitakuye Oyasin
Rick
Hello Rick. A pretty good question that is ! Not who but "WHAT" were the three wise men? The Three Virtues perhaps? Funny how it was "MAGGI" who foretold the coming of the King using Astrology and Scrying and yet the "Church", Born Agains etc say it is evil...............I heard one time someone saying about how there are four trumpets that herald the coming of Heaven to earth, maybe three were the "Maggi" and the fourth was in the Cradle?
Rev.d John
Rev.d John
I think you may be confusing Astronomy with Astrology.
Astronomy is the physical and theoretical study of objects in space, such as stars, constellations, meteors and comets, other planets and moons, nebulas, black holes,etc... Astromony is mostly concerned with the physical make-up of these bodies and their movements.
Astrology, on the other hand, is much older, and has to do with celestial bodies effects on the planet and with people, such as horoscopes, astral signs, the zodiac, etc...It is not based on scientific principles, but by information passed down through the ages. It is usually regarded by most Christian faiths as a form of 'witchcraft', like tarot, palm reading and such.
I have to add that in the Christian Bible, the term' witchcraft', and 'witch' are mistranslations and scribing errors. The original words refer to one who practices 'black magic' or voodoo, and not a normal practicing follower of Wicca.
Astronomy is the physical and theoretical study of objects in space, such as stars, constellations, meteors and comets, other planets and moons, nebulas, black holes,etc... Astromony is mostly concerned with the physical make-up of these bodies and their movements.
Astrology, on the other hand, is much older, and has to do with celestial bodies effects on the planet and with people, such as horoscopes, astral signs, the zodiac, etc...It is not based on scientific principles, but by information passed down through the ages. It is usually regarded by most Christian faiths as a form of 'witchcraft', like tarot, palm reading and such.
I have to add that in the Christian Bible, the term' witchcraft', and 'witch' are mistranslations and scribing errors. The original words refer to one who practices 'black magic' or voodoo, and not a normal practicing follower of Wicca.
No offense to you meant here but. After 2 years in Glasgow university and a PHd in Astronomy AND having been in Witchery from 1976 till 1996 doing Tarot and Astrology reading for many hundereds of people I think I know what I mean, its just that the computer is NOT the place to discuss anything due to lack of facial expressions and body language, research history a wee bit more my friend and find out that without Astrology, there would be NO Astronomy. All those really "nasty" Iraqi peoplethat are being chased about by various Western armies were the Persians origonally, go read up how if wasn't for them doing what they actually do best how the world would be different today.
The term Astronomy is quite modern, the very early Astrologers had the best observatories of the day and used them with a passion unrivalled today even with all the modern kit that is available, no telescopes, just the naked eye and beautifully clear night skies. With out Astrology man would have NEVER figured out why mars changes direction in space and moves backwards for some days before moving forwards again. I am afraid all modern science in the Astronomy line owes its existance in part to Astrology
John
The term Astronomy is quite modern, the very early Astrologers had the best observatories of the day and used them with a passion unrivalled today even with all the modern kit that is available, no telescopes, just the naked eye and beautifully clear night skies. With out Astrology man would have NEVER figured out why mars changes direction in space and moves backwards for some days before moving forwards again. I am afraid all modern science in the Astronomy line owes its existance in part to Astrology
John
What I meant was that the IIQ (Idiot In Question) was probably confusing the two. I've never heard a Christian Church speak out against Astronomy, but most of the more fundamental ones regard Astrology as pure witchcraft, and evil.
I did not make any comments on the relative merits of either subject, and I am aware of the history of both. I am a Doctor of Naturopathy (ND). My B.S. degree was in Biology, but I minored in Astronomy. My Masters is in Physics.
Just out of curiosity, how did you get a PHD in just two years? My Doctorate took me almost 10 years, but then again, I just went to Texas A & M. People in Glasgow must be much smarter than I.
I did the last line to illustrate that it may be the way you word your posts that make them hard to understand. I am sure you did not get a PHD in two years, and probably meant that you just FINISHED your PHD in two years at Glasgow. Or maybe you mean something else all together. Your response and posts are very confusing, as is the strange punctuation. Composition must not be a big requirement for an Astronomy degree over there. It is here.
At any rate, I did not mean to ruffle your feathers. My apologies.
Deus Vobiscum
I did not make any comments on the relative merits of either subject, and I am aware of the history of both. I am a Doctor of Naturopathy (ND). My B.S. degree was in Biology, but I minored in Astronomy. My Masters is in Physics.
Just out of curiosity, how did you get a PHD in just two years? My Doctorate took me almost 10 years, but then again, I just went to Texas A & M. People in Glasgow must be much smarter than I.
I did the last line to illustrate that it may be the way you word your posts that make them hard to understand. I am sure you did not get a PHD in two years, and probably meant that you just FINISHED your PHD in two years at Glasgow. Or maybe you mean something else all together. Your response and posts are very confusing, as is the strange punctuation. Composition must not be a big requirement for an Astronomy degree over there. It is here.
At any rate, I did not mean to ruffle your feathers. My apologies.
Deus Vobiscum
("Guzzik":3654ja4e)
No offense to you meant here but. After 2 years in Glasgow university and a PHd in Astronomy AND having been in Witchery from 1976 till 1996 doing Tarot and Astrology reading for many hundereds of people I think I know what I mean, its just that the computer is NOT the place to discuss anything due to lack of facial expressions and body language, research history a wee bit more my friend and find out that without Astrology, there would be NO Astronomy. All those really "nasty" Iraqi peoplethat are being chased about by various Western armies were the Persians origonally, go read up how if wasn't for them doing what they actually do best how the world would be different today.
The term Astronomy is quite modern, the very early Astrologers had the best observatories of the day and used them with a passion unrivalled today even with all the modern kit that is available, no telescopes, just the naked eye and beautifully clear night skies. With out Astrology man would have NEVER figured out why mars changes direction in space and moves backwards for some days before moving forwards again. I am afraid all modern science in the Astronomy line owes its existance in part to Astrology
John
The term Astronomy is quite modern, the very early Astrologers had the best observatories of the day and used them with a passion unrivalled today even with all the modern kit that is available, no telescopes, just the naked eye and beautifully clear night skies. With out Astrology man would have NEVER figured out why mars changes direction in space and moves backwards for some days before moving forwards again. I am afraid all modern science in the Astronomy line owes its existance in part to Astrology
John
No feathers ruffled my friend 
We have a totally different way of teaching in the UK, in fact, Scotland, my home land, is famous world wide for it having the best teaching methods on the planet.
We also, in the 70's had a thing called "Night School". When one goes to Night School one pays a LOT of dinero to learn. You go 5 nights a week, you learn ONE subject for 3 hours a night every night for two years, sometimes 3 or 4 years depending on the course. As in, if you take Biology you don't get maths as well type thing. Night Schools closed in our Secondary Schools and Universities/collages about 1983ish, a great big pity.
As for composition and punctuation, that comes from having learned British/Scottish English all my 52 years on the planet and not American English.
As for punctuation in learning, we don't have that and never have and never will have. Grammer we call it over here. As long as the teacher/professor/adjudicator/exam marker understands what has been written and especially what the answer is and HOW one worked the answer out, they don't care about the grammer.
if you spoke to me over the phone or face to face you would still not understand me for a wee while due to my own accent being mixed up with the Dorsetshire accent I now have due to having lived in Dorset for nearly 30 years.
Hope this helps you.
John
We have a totally different way of teaching in the UK, in fact, Scotland, my home land, is famous world wide for it having the best teaching methods on the planet.
We also, in the 70's had a thing called "Night School". When one goes to Night School one pays a LOT of dinero to learn. You go 5 nights a week, you learn ONE subject for 3 hours a night every night for two years, sometimes 3 or 4 years depending on the course. As in, if you take Biology you don't get maths as well type thing. Night Schools closed in our Secondary Schools and Universities/collages about 1983ish, a great big pity.
As for composition and punctuation, that comes from having learned British/Scottish English all my 52 years on the planet and not American English.
As for punctuation in learning, we don't have that and never have and never will have. Grammer we call it over here. As long as the teacher/professor/adjudicator/exam marker understands what has been written and especially what the answer is and HOW one worked the answer out, they don't care about the grammer.
if you spoke to me over the phone or face to face you would still not understand me for a wee while due to my own accent being mixed up with the Dorsetshire accent I now have due to having lived in Dorset for nearly 30 years.
Hope this helps you.
John
I am sorry, but I can't let this go. My apologies to the others reading this post. I beg your indulgence.
You have made many questionable statements.
The most obvious is that you have a PHD, but cannot form a correct sentence.
Next, your PHD is in Astronomy, but you state that Astronomy is a very modern term. The science of Astronomy was formulated (and named) by the Greek Hipparchus in the 2nd century BC. And it was always seperate from Astrology. Most of the final principles we use today were finished by Ptolemy in the 2nd century AD.
Next you state that Iraqis are decendants of Persians. Wrong again! Iraqis are predominantly Arabic, and are Semites. They speak and write Arabic. Iranians are predominantly Persian. They speak and write Farsi. There are small ethnic groups in each country but as a whole, those are their national identities. And niether race had anything to do with the creation of Astronomy, which is a classic science, as opposed to Astrology, which is not a science at all.
And lastly, Mars does not "change direction", or "move backwards" in it's orbit. It is merely an optical illusion, referred to as Retro-grade orbit, that occurs about once every two years due to the different speeds of Earth's and Mars orbits. It also happens with Jupiter and Neptune, though not as often. It was postulated by Copernicus in the 16th century and was the basis for the current model of the Solar System, with the Sun, rather than the Earth, at it's center. The actual mathematics were worked out by Johannes Kepler in 1621 AD with the equation d3 = t2. This was the basis for Heliocentric Astronomy, or, as we call it today, Orbital Mechanincs, or Rudolphine Tables.
These are grade-school blunders.
I don't know what college you really went to, if at all, but maybe you should go ask for your money back.
My apologies to the rest of you. That got under my skin, and I needed to vent on it.
Semper Fi!
You have made many questionable statements.
The most obvious is that you have a PHD, but cannot form a correct sentence.
Next, your PHD is in Astronomy, but you state that Astronomy is a very modern term. The science of Astronomy was formulated (and named) by the Greek Hipparchus in the 2nd century BC. And it was always seperate from Astrology. Most of the final principles we use today were finished by Ptolemy in the 2nd century AD.
Next you state that Iraqis are decendants of Persians. Wrong again! Iraqis are predominantly Arabic, and are Semites. They speak and write Arabic. Iranians are predominantly Persian. They speak and write Farsi. There are small ethnic groups in each country but as a whole, those are their national identities. And niether race had anything to do with the creation of Astronomy, which is a classic science, as opposed to Astrology, which is not a science at all.
And lastly, Mars does not "change direction", or "move backwards" in it's orbit. It is merely an optical illusion, referred to as Retro-grade orbit, that occurs about once every two years due to the different speeds of Earth's and Mars orbits. It also happens with Jupiter and Neptune, though not as often. It was postulated by Copernicus in the 16th century and was the basis for the current model of the Solar System, with the Sun, rather than the Earth, at it's center. The actual mathematics were worked out by Johannes Kepler in 1621 AD with the equation d3 = t2. This was the basis for Heliocentric Astronomy, or, as we call it today, Orbital Mechanincs, or Rudolphine Tables.
These are grade-school blunders.
I don't know what college you really went to, if at all, but maybe you should go ask for your money back.
My apologies to the rest of you. That got under my skin, and I needed to vent on it.
Semper Fi!
("Nature Boy":j9u8lzec)
What I meant was that the IIQ (Idiot In Question) was probably confusing the two. I've never heard a Christian Church speak out against Astronomy, but most of the more fundamental ones regard Astrology as pure witchcraft, and evil.
I did not make any comments on the relative merits of either subject, and I am aware of the history of both. I am a Doctor of Naturopathy (ND). My B.S. degree was in Biology, but I minored in Astronomy. My Masters is in Physics.
Just out of curiosity, how did you get a PHD in just two years? My Doctorate took me almost 10 years, but then again, I just went to Texas A & M. People in Glasgow must be much smarter than I.
I did the last line to illustrate that it may be the way you word your posts that make them hard to understand. I am sure you did not get a PHD in two years, and probably meant that you just FINISHED your PHD in two years at Glasgow. Or maybe you mean something else all together. Your response and posts are very confusing, as is the strange punctuation. Composition must not be a big requirement for an Astronomy degree over there. It is here.
At any rate, I did not mean to ruffle your feathers. My apologies.
Deus Vobiscum
I did not make any comments on the relative merits of either subject, and I am aware of the history of both. I am a Doctor of Naturopathy (ND). My B.S. degree was in Biology, but I minored in Astronomy. My Masters is in Physics.
Just out of curiosity, how did you get a PHD in just two years? My Doctorate took me almost 10 years, but then again, I just went to Texas A & M. People in Glasgow must be much smarter than I.
I did the last line to illustrate that it may be the way you word your posts that make them hard to understand. I am sure you did not get a PHD in two years, and probably meant that you just FINISHED your PHD in two years at Glasgow. Or maybe you mean something else all together. Your response and posts are very confusing, as is the strange punctuation. Composition must not be a big requirement for an Astronomy degree over there. It is here.
At any rate, I did not mean to ruffle your feathers. My apologies.
Deus Vobiscum
("Guzzik":j9u8lzec)
No offense to you meant here but. After 2 years in Glasgow university and a PHd in Astronomy AND having been in Witchery from 1976 till 1996 doing Tarot and Astrology reading for many hundereds of people I think I know what I mean, its just that the computer is NOT the place to discuss anything due to lack of facial expressions and body language, research history a wee bit more my friend and find out that without Astrology, there would be NO Astronomy. All those really "nasty" Iraqi peoplethat are being chased about by various Western armies were the Persians origonally, go read up how if wasn't for them doing what they actually do best how the world would be different today.
The term Astronomy is quite modern, the very early Astrologers had the best observatories of the day and used them with a passion unrivalled today even with all the modern kit that is available, no telescopes, just the naked eye and beautifully clear night skies. With out Astrology man would have NEVER figured out why mars changes direction in space and moves backwards for some days before moving forwards again. I am afraid all modern science in the Astronomy line owes its existance in part to Astrology
John
The term Astronomy is quite modern, the very early Astrologers had the best observatories of the day and used them with a passion unrivalled today even with all the modern kit that is available, no telescopes, just the naked eye and beautifully clear night skies. With out Astrology man would have NEVER figured out why mars changes direction in space and moves backwards for some days before moving forwards again. I am afraid all modern science in the Astronomy line owes its existance in part to Astrology
John
No, I am NOT going to answer your post in the way I wanted to. It would seem you cannot read and understand someone elses posts due to a lacking in familiarity in English, not American English but ENGLISH, so what if I cannot put a sentence together as YOU would like it put together? And, Astronomy IS a modern term, how OLD is human kind, hmmmmm?
Next, MARS, do go and reread the post please, you obviously did NOT get what I typed. I KNOW its an optical illusion but mankind several hundered years ago did NOT know that
And whoooppeee dooobbeee I screwed up over Iraq and Iran, do please bomb me.
Now then, THIS is what I am on about as being the reason for leaving this forum. People who nit pick over how i TYPE a bloody sentance. Go stuff it folks.
And no PM's coz I have stopped that,just forget me ok.
Next, MARS, do go and reread the post please, you obviously did NOT get what I typed. I KNOW its an optical illusion but mankind several hundered years ago did NOT know that
And whoooppeee dooobbeee I screwed up over Iraq and Iran, do please bomb me.
Now then, THIS is what I am on about as being the reason for leaving this forum. People who nit pick over how i TYPE a bloody sentance. Go stuff it folks.
And no PM's coz I have stopped that,just forget me ok.
There is no major difference in written American and UK English, nor are University curriculums that different. I have friends who went to Oxford, a friend from the UK who graduated Sandhust and served 10 years in the British Army, and several who went to other Universities in Europe, and they all write just like we do.
A degree is a degree, no matter where you go. A Doctor in India will have similar knowledge to a Doctor in the US. And I don't believe a person who majored in Astronomy, certainly not a PHD, would've made those grade-school mistakes. I also know that you cannot get a BS, MS and PHD in two years, ANYWHERE in the world, except maybe mail-order.
It's a credibility issue. If you are going to pass yoursefl off as a PHD, you'd better be able to converse and write on a PHD level. It doesn't take long to ferret out phonies. As ministers, people need to be able to trust us, because sometimes credibility is all we have.
When our ministers try to pass themselves off as something they are not , it hurts the rest of us.
I hope you take this to heart. Otherwise, one day it will catch up to you and bite you.
Facta non verba.
A degree is a degree, no matter where you go. A Doctor in India will have similar knowledge to a Doctor in the US. And I don't believe a person who majored in Astronomy, certainly not a PHD, would've made those grade-school mistakes. I also know that you cannot get a BS, MS and PHD in two years, ANYWHERE in the world, except maybe mail-order.
It's a credibility issue. If you are going to pass yoursefl off as a PHD, you'd better be able to converse and write on a PHD level. It doesn't take long to ferret out phonies. As ministers, people need to be able to trust us, because sometimes credibility is all we have.
When our ministers try to pass themselves off as something they are not , it hurts the rest of us.
I hope you take this to heart. Otherwise, one day it will catch up to you and bite you.
Facta non verba.
I got 8 'O' levels and 8 'A' levels young man, Straight A's I think you guys in the states call it. I also went to Uni for Botany/Plant genetics and got the same as John has got for botany. A Batchelor of science in horticulture, that nearly a PHd, are you going to call ME thick and uneducated as well coz I don't type the way YOU reckon I should. I also know guys who went to Sandhurst, other than them trying to sound like the Queen most still wipe their bums like the rest of us when it comes to spelling, grammer etc. Carl Sagan was a bloody aweful writer, as was Stephen hawkin before he went to ill to write, have a look at the Astronomer Royal's writing/grammer and get a shock Sir Patrick Moores writing looks like a doctors scribbles!!!!
O+ and A+in English lit
O+ And A In Grammer
O+ And A+ In French
O+ And A+ In Biology
O AND A In Botany
O in and A Chemestry
O and A+ in Latin
O and A+In Physics
Anyway, I see John has lost it at last...........................No, he doesn't have what can be called a PHd in Astronomy, they don't give that out for a two year course in "PRACTICAL ASTRONOMY" BUT, the man WAS at Uni in Glasgow for two years doing Astronomy and did get a bit of paper that says some thing or other about being an Astronomer of some sort.
Ok, for thjose who might be interested but I doubt it very much. John's "C-toma" has fired back up again, the ear has been getting progessivly wetter and smellier for the last 7 days, he has also just lost a 2cm square piece of the inside of his left ear.
John had an accident a t3 years old when a school bully shoved him into the shallow end of the school swimming pool. He cracked his head open on the side of the pool and some water got trapped, nothing was ever done to help him by the school even though blood was running from his ear. Over the years it ate away at the inside of his ear and head untill December 1992 John was rushed to Poole General Hospital, he underwent life saving surgery and spent more than a few days learning to walk in a straight line again. His specialist back then told John that, if this "C-Toma" thing ever fired up again he would die......................................John is worried SICK about this. Swabs have been taken from his ear AND the bit of skin have all been sent to Poole General for bacteria growing and tests on the skin and fluids from the ear. I have spent this evening with John and Louise and got the gen on the ailment, I didn't know the silly bugger had come in here and blasted of about something he cann't talk about straight right now until I signed on the Forum. If their are any surgeons/Medical Practitioners on the Forum, the "thing" wrong with John's ear/head is the same thing that happens to kids that swim in dirty pooh infested water in India/Pakistan? It seems the "C-Toma" had more or less eaten away the bone of the skull he has no ear drum, stirrup, anvil etc its all been eaten away. his left face droops slightly like he has had a stroke, he has a slight problem with dribbling from the left side of the mouth when drinking or eating soups, he gets constant dizziness as well, not much but, its there, all this AND his lower spine is crumbling away due to doing too much gardenin gwork in the pouring rain, Degenerative Osteoporosis I think its called, his doc has said he will be on sticks before he is 60 and maybe a wheel chair if things get worse, is there any piggin wonder the poor guy is going mental..................................If it was cancer, and, the "C-Toma" IS somewhat like a cancer, he would have died whilst still a young boy...............................he is worried sick he is going to die now, he is nearlt unconsolable.
I have known John since he came to England from Scotland in 1980. When this "C-toma" started in 92 he went the same way, just blabbing of about the craft and how he had sen the Goddess and had spoken with her etc, after the op he was back to his old self again but, rather embarresed. I think the same is happening again.
Anyway. There we have it. Take it or leave it, I am sure there are enough idiots in the Forum to sit and laugh at him.
Michelle
Sir Patrick Moores writing looks like a doctors scribbles!!!! O+ and A+in English lit
O+ And A In Grammer
O+ And A+ In French
O+ And A+ In Biology
O AND A In Botany
O in and A Chemestry
O and A+ in Latin
O and A+In Physics
Anyway, I see John has lost it at last...........................No, he doesn't have what can be called a PHd in Astronomy, they don't give that out for a two year course in "PRACTICAL ASTRONOMY" BUT, the man WAS at Uni in Glasgow for two years doing Astronomy and did get a bit of paper that says some thing or other about being an Astronomer of some sort.
Ok, for thjose who might be interested but I doubt it very much. John's "C-toma" has fired back up again, the ear has been getting progessivly wetter and smellier for the last 7 days, he has also just lost a 2cm square piece of the inside of his left ear.
John had an accident a t3 years old when a school bully shoved him into the shallow end of the school swimming pool. He cracked his head open on the side of the pool and some water got trapped, nothing was ever done to help him by the school even though blood was running from his ear. Over the years it ate away at the inside of his ear and head untill December 1992 John was rushed to Poole General Hospital, he underwent life saving surgery and spent more than a few days learning to walk in a straight line again. His specialist back then told John that, if this "C-Toma" thing ever fired up again he would die......................................John is worried SICK about this. Swabs have been taken from his ear AND the bit of skin have all been sent to Poole General for bacteria growing and tests on the skin and fluids from the ear. I have spent this evening with John and Louise and got the gen on the ailment, I didn't know the silly bugger had come in here and blasted of about something he cann't talk about straight right now until I signed on the Forum. If their are any surgeons/Medical Practitioners on the Forum, the "thing" wrong with John's ear/head is the same thing that happens to kids that swim in dirty pooh infested water in India/Pakistan? It seems the "C-Toma" had more or less eaten away the bone of the skull he has no ear drum, stirrup, anvil etc its all been eaten away. his left face droops slightly like he has had a stroke, he has a slight problem with dribbling from the left side of the mouth when drinking or eating soups, he gets constant dizziness as well, not much but, its there, all this AND his lower spine is crumbling away due to doing too much gardenin gwork in the pouring rain, Degenerative Osteoporosis I think its called, his doc has said he will be on sticks before he is 60 and maybe a wheel chair if things get worse, is there any piggin wonder the poor guy is going mental..................................If it was cancer, and, the "C-Toma" IS somewhat like a cancer, he would have died whilst still a young boy...............................he is worried sick he is going to die now, he is nearlt unconsolable.
I have known John since he came to England from Scotland in 1980. When this "C-toma" started in 92 he went the same way, just blabbing of about the craft and how he had sen the Goddess and had spoken with her etc, after the op he was back to his old self again but, rather embarresed. I think the same is happening again.
Anyway. There we have it. Take it or leave it, I am sure there are enough idiots in the Forum to sit and laugh at him.
Michelle
("michelle":214hszzv)
IO+ and A+in English lit
Ok, for thjose who might be interested but I doubt it very much. John's "C-toma" has fired back up again, the ear has been getting progessivly wetter and smellier for the last 7 days, he has also just lost a 2cm square piece of the inside of his left ear.
Anyway. There we have it. Take it or leave it, I am sure there are enough idiots in the Forum to sit and laugh at him.
Michelle
Ok, for thjose who might be interested but I doubt it very much. John's "C-toma" has fired back up again, the ear has been getting progessivly wetter and smellier for the last 7 days, he has also just lost a 2cm square piece of the inside of his left ear.
Anyway. There we have it. Take it or leave it, I am sure there are enough idiots in the Forum to sit and laugh at him.
Michelle
Michelle;
I'm sure there are enough but I'm not one of them. Please tell him he is in my prayers.
Also, do you know what Comfrey is? It is a medicinal plant that can be boiled down and added to salve such as udder balm for external injuries. Or. it is added to olive oil and can be used for eardrops. I have had occasions to use the salve many times in the past with remarkable results. I rarely have problems with my ears so I have never used the drops, but it might be something to look into. Go to the nearest herbalist and pick some up. It is a very common plant. Please let me know how/if it works for him....God's Peace....To`na Wanagi
Mmmmmmmmmmm, yes, I do know about Comfrey. problem being To ' na, this has gotten out of control again. I will be looking in on John sometime this afternoon to see whats happening and see what Louise says but, I don't hold much hope of Herbs etc being used. He has been given a bottle of drops to put in the ear from his doc, one item in the mix is gentian Violet an well known anti fungal and anti bacterial the other is hydrocortisone acetate. The brand/Generic name is "Gentisone". We will see. His test results are supposed to be through on the 13th of May, as usual, in the UK, its a lottery as to when or how you are seen etc.
Michelle.
Just reread my post from last night. John wasn't 3 when it happened, he was 13.....................Maybe Nature Boy is right, i AM illtyrit
Michelle.
Just reread my post from last night. John wasn't 3 when it happened, he was 13.....................Maybe Nature Boy is right, i AM illtyrit
First off, I am sorry he is in bad health. I was not aware of this. He will be in all of our prayers.
2nd, My reply was to him, not you. I never said anything about your education, because I don't know anything about you. You're putting words in my mouth. The only thng I can determine is that you obviously do not understand what is required to obtain a Doctorate, or PHD. You must plan, research, and write a Thesis, preferably on something that hasn't been done before (good luck on that!), usually in MLA format, consisting of a maximum of around 21,000 words, describing the correct form of Abstract, Methodolgy, References, Conclusions, and a host of other requirements, submit it for peer review, where it will be checked for spelling, punctuation form, Word Count, Type of Paper, spacing....basically anything they can possibly find wrong with it. They must also agree on the content. This is reviewed by people who's greatest pleasure in life is to destroy would-Be Doctorial Candidates. If by some miracle you survive this ordeal, you get to spend a period of several months, to several years as an intern, where you will be treated worse than a convicted felon, and regarded as the lowest rung on the evolutionary ladder, somewhere between mold spores, and primitive single-celled protozoa. This is not counting the years of research needed to aquire the information for the thesis, and the classes required so you can actually write it. It requires the highest command of writing skills possible. It doesn't matter what part of the world you go to school in. The procedure is the same for everybody, period! The scientific world goes beyond national boundaries, and is the most standardized endeavor on the planet.
Next, no one is laughing at anyone. I saw nothing funny at all about a minister in my Order misrepresenting himself. As ministers, people have to have confidence that what we tell them will be the truth, as we know it. They put their trust in us. Picure this: A person says to you " Your a ULC Minister? I knew one of y'all a few years back. He tried to say he was a (insert profession of your choice), but he couldn't even (perform basic skills of the trade)... You guys are a riot!" Person walks off laughing....Now, picture how you are going to feel, especially if other by-standers heard that exchange. They will tell others, etc.... I regard this as a very serious matter. When someone does this, it calls us all into question. As you stated, he is not a PHD as he claimed, so my conclusions were correct. You cannot fault me for stating the obvious.
From what you say, his cholesteatoma is advanced. The condition is not cancerous, and is rarely fatal in and of itself, but the complications arising from it can be very serious. I am guessing he has had open-cavity microsurgery. The cholesteatoma regrowth occurs in about 10-20% of patients, especially those with suspected congenital cholesteatoma. You need to get him back to his doctor as soon as possible. He will need another microsurgery to remove the cholesteatoma before it can do further damage. Time is of the essence to prevent further damage. He should also be on a strict anti-biotic regime, if he is not already on one. Just get him to his doctor. The MD will know what to do.
Unfortunately, as of yet, there is no positve prognosis for osteoporosis, but it is treatable. If he has not had it done already, he needs to have a BMD test done with a central DXA (Dual -energy X-ray Absorptiometry) so his physician can determine his current fracture-risk, and the best medication. I would recommend one of the following meds, depending on his histology: Alendronate and Alendronate plus D3 (Brand names-Fosamax and Fosamax + D), Risodronate and Risodronate plus calcium (Brand names-Actonel and Actonel with calcium), and Parathyroid Hormone-Teriparatide (Brand name-Forteo). There is no reason for him to be "on sticks", except through neglect. This is just for your own information, and not actual medical advice. He needs to be evaluated. Get him to his physician. He will know what to do.
Any physician will tell you that the biggest factor effecting recovery is a positive attitude. Explain to him that he must not be depressed, but attack the problems aggressively. He needs to be an active partner in his treatment.
And, of course, we will all be praying for him. He has our best wishes.
Omnipotent and eternal God, the everlasting Salvation of those who believe, hear us on behalf of Thy sick servant, John, for whom we beg the aid of Thy pitying mercy, that, with his bodily health restored, he may give thanks to Thee in Thy church. Through Christ our Lord.
Gloria Patri, et Filio, et Spiritu Santcto. Sicut erat in principio, et nunc, et semper, et in saecula saeculorum. Amen
(Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now and always, and to the ages of ages. Amen.
For all who have come to my heart this day, and asked for healing, whether they be known to me, or unknown; whether they be two-leggeds or four-leggeds, Winged Ones of the air, or Finned Ones of the waters; whether they be the Creepy Crawlers of the earth, or the plant people, the rock people or the Standing Ones; whether they be the Earth Mother Herself, or Father Sky, or Grandmother Moon, or Grandfather Sun; whether they be the Celestial Ones or the Worlds Beyond, may each be healed of that which needs to be healed in their life for the highest good of all.
I would do a Wiccan Healing Spell for John tonight except that, as you know, I would need a picture or likeness of him. I have an athame, cauldron, healing candles and scrolls (paper). Maybe I will try it with an effigy. It can't hurt.
As I said, I minster to everyone, equally. That means I had to learn at least a basic working knowledge of most other systems of spirituality. I know a lot about Wiccan spells and practices.
Please tell John that we have great empathy for what he is going through. No one here has laughed at him, nor will they. I have faith in my brothers and sisters here.
Deus Vobiscum
2nd, My reply was to him, not you. I never said anything about your education, because I don't know anything about you. You're putting words in my mouth. The only thng I can determine is that you obviously do not understand what is required to obtain a Doctorate, or PHD. You must plan, research, and write a Thesis, preferably on something that hasn't been done before (good luck on that!), usually in MLA format, consisting of a maximum of around 21,000 words, describing the correct form of Abstract, Methodolgy, References, Conclusions, and a host of other requirements, submit it for peer review, where it will be checked for spelling, punctuation form, Word Count, Type of Paper, spacing....basically anything they can possibly find wrong with it. They must also agree on the content. This is reviewed by people who's greatest pleasure in life is to destroy would-Be Doctorial Candidates. If by some miracle you survive this ordeal, you get to spend a period of several months, to several years as an intern, where you will be treated worse than a convicted felon, and regarded as the lowest rung on the evolutionary ladder, somewhere between mold spores, and primitive single-celled protozoa. This is not counting the years of research needed to aquire the information for the thesis, and the classes required so you can actually write it. It requires the highest command of writing skills possible. It doesn't matter what part of the world you go to school in. The procedure is the same for everybody, period! The scientific world goes beyond national boundaries, and is the most standardized endeavor on the planet.
Next, no one is laughing at anyone. I saw nothing funny at all about a minister in my Order misrepresenting himself. As ministers, people have to have confidence that what we tell them will be the truth, as we know it. They put their trust in us. Picure this: A person says to you " Your a ULC Minister? I knew one of y'all a few years back. He tried to say he was a (insert profession of your choice), but he couldn't even (perform basic skills of the trade)... You guys are a riot!" Person walks off laughing....Now, picture how you are going to feel, especially if other by-standers heard that exchange. They will tell others, etc.... I regard this as a very serious matter. When someone does this, it calls us all into question. As you stated, he is not a PHD as he claimed, so my conclusions were correct. You cannot fault me for stating the obvious.
From what you say, his cholesteatoma is advanced. The condition is not cancerous, and is rarely fatal in and of itself, but the complications arising from it can be very serious. I am guessing he has had open-cavity microsurgery. The cholesteatoma regrowth occurs in about 10-20% of patients, especially those with suspected congenital cholesteatoma. You need to get him back to his doctor as soon as possible. He will need another microsurgery to remove the cholesteatoma before it can do further damage. Time is of the essence to prevent further damage. He should also be on a strict anti-biotic regime, if he is not already on one. Just get him to his doctor. The MD will know what to do.
Unfortunately, as of yet, there is no positve prognosis for osteoporosis, but it is treatable. If he has not had it done already, he needs to have a BMD test done with a central DXA (Dual -energy X-ray Absorptiometry) so his physician can determine his current fracture-risk, and the best medication. I would recommend one of the following meds, depending on his histology: Alendronate and Alendronate plus D3 (Brand names-Fosamax and Fosamax + D), Risodronate and Risodronate plus calcium (Brand names-Actonel and Actonel with calcium), and Parathyroid Hormone-Teriparatide (Brand name-Forteo). There is no reason for him to be "on sticks", except through neglect. This is just for your own information, and not actual medical advice. He needs to be evaluated. Get him to his physician. He will know what to do.
Any physician will tell you that the biggest factor effecting recovery is a positive attitude. Explain to him that he must not be depressed, but attack the problems aggressively. He needs to be an active partner in his treatment.
And, of course, we will all be praying for him. He has our best wishes.
Omnipotent and eternal God, the everlasting Salvation of those who believe, hear us on behalf of Thy sick servant, John, for whom we beg the aid of Thy pitying mercy, that, with his bodily health restored, he may give thanks to Thee in Thy church. Through Christ our Lord.
Gloria Patri, et Filio, et Spiritu Santcto. Sicut erat in principio, et nunc, et semper, et in saecula saeculorum. Amen
(Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now and always, and to the ages of ages. Amen.
For all who have come to my heart this day, and asked for healing, whether they be known to me, or unknown; whether they be two-leggeds or four-leggeds, Winged Ones of the air, or Finned Ones of the waters; whether they be the Creepy Crawlers of the earth, or the plant people, the rock people or the Standing Ones; whether they be the Earth Mother Herself, or Father Sky, or Grandmother Moon, or Grandfather Sun; whether they be the Celestial Ones or the Worlds Beyond, may each be healed of that which needs to be healed in their life for the highest good of all.
I would do a Wiccan Healing Spell for John tonight except that, as you know, I would need a picture or likeness of him. I have an athame, cauldron, healing candles and scrolls (paper). Maybe I will try it with an effigy. It can't hurt.
As I said, I minster to everyone, equally. That means I had to learn at least a basic working knowledge of most other systems of spirituality. I know a lot about Wiccan spells and practices.
Please tell John that we have great empathy for what he is going through. No one here has laughed at him, nor will they. I have faith in my brothers and sisters here.
Deus Vobiscum
As a bi sexual Crossdresser with man made boobies I am sure there is a great deal I know nothing about . I was defending my freind of whom I am a little bit worried.. Ok, in answer to what you have explained about this C-Toma, as far asLouise and John were told this is something liek a cancer but isn't, its also something like a C-toma but did not form on the same way classic C-Tomas form. Yes, he did get micro surgery done in 1992, why did his specialist tell him and his then partner he would not survive another "attack" or at least there would be nothing they could do for him if what he had reccured?
Also, please, you MUST remember, we do not live in the USA with all its marvalous medical work going on, we live in the UK with a pitifully inadaquete National Health Service that is killing its own patients with MRSA at the moment! He has been to his Doctor who took swabs from his ear, the 2cm square bit of skin that came out of his ear has gone to the lab as well as the swabs, he has to wait till 13th May for the results regardless of how many times he goes to see his doctor........................I had better explain something about British Doctor surgeries on the NHS. If you phoned up on Monday morning with chest pains you MIGHT get an appointment for friday.........................And this is no lie. So, he waits for two weeks getting more and more paranoid each day because of what he was told in 1992, he is not on any antibiotics coz the doc don't reckon on them as needed or he would have them all he has is the ear drops.
As for his back. Oh, hang on a mo, who said John was in YOUR order?? Or are you meaning IF he was?
Ok, the back, right, back problems from 1996, been back and forth sometimes twice a month, has had an osteopath tell him at £35 a visit that his "hips were out" and messed about with him for 5 months till John got peed of and left. Still nothing gets done other than a few X-rays that tell the Docs he has this Degenerative Osteoporosis and THEY say that NOTHING can be done for it................Once more, he is NOT in America so please lay of what could be done for him over there. His doc was quite insistant about the sticks and wheelchair if he wasn't careful and led a rather sedentery life
As for all the neat medication you have mentioned, I doubt any of it is available on the NHS over here, now, I know NOTHING about medicine other than the people who make the stuff over charge us by several thousand percent! His doc says nothing can be done, thats that in the UK.
And no, I cannot fault you for picking up on him because I have given him a tongue licking as well.........................Pity you couldn't have been a bit more subbtle like a PM to him rather than make him look a complete and utter fool on the main Forum, then you might have found out why he is acting like he is.
I just wish I could explain what this ear thing is to you.........................It is not a classic Cholesteatoma. His specialist said he was to have a Mastoid op then things went wrong from there. There is a lot more to it Nature Boy that I know not about BUT, I do know about the Chlorinated swimming pool water getting trapped and him getting the same area split open in a hair line fracture when he got hit by a tree trunk in 1973. Also, this is the first time I have ever heard of that man telling a lie, normally he gets into more trouble for telling the truth . I have spoken with his mother today, whom he actually hates to his core, about him, she says he was always called Sunny as a child and right up to he was about 19 when he went all moody and withdrawn, a bit like Mr Spock from Star Trek on occasions as well, untill then he was the happiest go lucky guy you could meet, a Cadet Warrant Officer with the ATC and a Lieutenant with the Boys Brigade, in the Brigade he was going forwards to be a Minister with the Church Of Scotland, that would have made him a Captain with his own Brigade, something turned his mind from God and he went into the Craft instead, to be honest, John is not cut out to be a Christian Minister, he is a Witch/Pagan and thats that, he worries to much over death and how other people think of him. I am sorry to say this but, the sooner he throws that bloody coller away and starts doing what he can do properly the better. This is MY personal and private opinion of what he should do, so please do not come back to me about it.
I know you are trying to understand and to help, it is appreciated. I just hate to see a really good man go down hill like he has this past seven days especially when he is on the brink of just giving in.
Thank you all for your prayers for him. We do hope the results will show that nothing is major and antibiotics like you suggested will be administered to him and he will see all is going to be well.
Its amazing what makes someones mind turn round and go of the rails?
Michelle.
. I was defending my freind of whom I am a little bit worried.. Ok, in answer to what you have explained about this C-Toma, as far asLouise and John were told this is something liek a cancer but isn't, its also something like a C-toma but did not form on the same way classic C-Tomas form. Yes, he did get micro surgery done in 1992, why did his specialist tell him and his then partner he would not survive another "attack" or at least there would be nothing they could do for him if what he had reccured?Also, please, you MUST remember, we do not live in the USA with all its marvalous medical work going on, we live in the UK with a pitifully inadaquete National Health Service that is killing its own patients with MRSA at the moment! He has been to his Doctor who took swabs from his ear, the 2cm square bit of skin that came out of his ear has gone to the lab as well as the swabs, he has to wait till 13th May for the results regardless of how many times he goes to see his doctor........................I had better explain something about British Doctor surgeries on the NHS. If you phoned up on Monday morning with chest pains you MIGHT get an appointment for friday.........................And this is no lie. So, he waits for two weeks getting more and more paranoid each day because of what he was told in 1992, he is not on any antibiotics coz the doc don't reckon on them as needed or he would have them all he has is the ear drops.
As for his back. Oh, hang on a mo, who said John was in YOUR order?? Or are you meaning IF he was?
Ok, the back, right, back problems from 1996, been back and forth sometimes twice a month, has had an osteopath tell him at £35 a visit that his "hips were out" and messed about with him for 5 months till John got peed of and left. Still nothing gets done other than a few X-rays that tell the Docs he has this Degenerative Osteoporosis and THEY say that NOTHING can be done for it................Once more, he is NOT in America so please lay of what could be done for him over there. His doc was quite insistant about the sticks and wheelchair if he wasn't careful and led a rather sedentery life
As for all the neat medication you have mentioned, I doubt any of it is available on the NHS over here, now, I know NOTHING about medicine other than the people who make the stuff over charge us by several thousand percent! His doc says nothing can be done, thats that in the UK.
And no, I cannot fault you for picking up on him because I have given him a tongue licking as well.........................Pity you couldn't have been a bit more subbtle like a PM to him rather than make him look a complete and utter fool on the main Forum, then you might have found out why he is acting like he is.
I just wish I could explain what this ear thing is to you.........................It is not a classic Cholesteatoma. His specialist said he was to have a Mastoid op then things went wrong from there. There is a lot more to it Nature Boy that I know not about BUT, I do know about the Chlorinated swimming pool water getting trapped and him getting the same area split open in a hair line fracture when he got hit by a tree trunk in 1973. Also, this is the first time I have ever heard of that man telling a lie, normally he gets into more trouble for telling the truth
. I have spoken with his mother today, whom he actually hates to his core, about him, she says he was always called Sunny as a child and right up to he was about 19 when he went all moody and withdrawn, a bit like Mr Spock from Star Trek on occasions as well, untill then he was the happiest go lucky guy you could meet, a Cadet Warrant Officer with the ATC and a Lieutenant with the Boys Brigade, in the Brigade he was going forwards to be a Minister with the Church Of Scotland, that would have made him a Captain with his own Brigade, something turned his mind from God and he went into the Craft instead, to be honest, John is not cut out to be a Christian Minister, he is a Witch/Pagan and thats that, he worries to much over death and how other people think of him. I am sorry to say this but, the sooner he throws that bloody coller away and starts doing what he can do properly the better. This is MY personal and private opinion of what he should do, so please do not come back to me about it.I know you are trying to understand and to help, it is appreciated. I just hate to see a really good man go down hill like he has this past seven days especially when he is on the brink of just giving in.
Thank you all for your prayers for him. We do hope the results will show that nothing is major and antibiotics like you suggested will be administered to him and he will see all is going to be well.
Its amazing what makes someones mind turn round and go of the rails?
Michelle.
Nature Boy,
You seem to know a lot more about this condition than my Doctor does. If I describe a "feeling" to you, could you come back with what might be the cause, effect and answer please? Your help would be invaluable.
For the last 7 days I have had pain right deep down in the ear to the throat. Numbness to the left side of my face, a "taste" of metal on the left side of my tongue, constant dizziness, terrable weariness, a feeling of constant "wooziness" all the time, as if I was drunk, acute, instant flareups of irrational anger that lasts for some minutes then goes away and leaves me crying. Then today at around 13:00 BST my ear gave a massive CLICK sound, gurgled so loudly that Louise heard it then most of the above "symptoms" just went away over the space of a couple of hours. I phoned our emergancy Doctor number we have and was told to wait till the results came through, they didn't even want to come out to see me.
John
You seem to know a lot more about this condition than my Doctor does. If I describe a "feeling" to you, could you come back with what might be the cause, effect and answer please? Your help would be invaluable.
For the last 7 days I have had pain right deep down in the ear to the throat. Numbness to the left side of my face, a "taste" of metal on the left side of my tongue, constant dizziness, terrable weariness, a feeling of constant "wooziness" all the time, as if I was drunk, acute, instant flareups of irrational anger that lasts for some minutes then goes away and leaves me crying. Then today at around 13:00 BST my ear gave a massive CLICK sound, gurgled so loudly that Louise heard it then most of the above "symptoms" just went away over the space of a couple of hours. I phoned our emergancy Doctor number we have and was told to wait till the results came through, they didn't even want to come out to see me.
John
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