It was once stated, I believe by Horatio Alger; “The problem with mankind is he doesn’t think.” This is really a profound statement that needs to be understood more. It is said we only use a portion of our brain. The brain is utilized by the mind and brain activity is determined by the mind.

The brain is merely an interface between the mind and the physical body. The less developed the mind is, the less developed and utilized the brain is.

The act of thinking is the act of “looking into” a matter. To think deeply on a matter is the act of meditating on the matter. Scriptures speak of meditation and some are confused as to what meditation is. To place a word or thought in the mind that remains inert is not meditation. Meditation is to look at the subject matter and all that may be associated with the subject matter. It is to seek answers; knowledge and understanding of a matter.

It is only when a person is in meditation, a person receives from God. For the way of God is to reveal to the mind what has been hidden; what has not been “seen.” “Seeing” in spiritual terms is to understand and gain knowledge.

God has a design for the development of the mind of mankind. It is to recreate His mind in mankind. In this way, God is the Creator. Man is the creation.

Unfortunately very few of mankind follow this way of God being the Creator. Most of mankind allow fellow man to create their minds. This is the traditional way of mankind who is separated from God. If a person is not this creation of God that person is separated from God by the different minds. There is not a oneness of mind and spirit.

It is very difficult for many of mankind to believe God is able to create the mind in mankind. Most adhere to religious teachings that religious leaders are the creators (teachers) of the matters of God. And indeed they are the creators and the teachers instead of God which is actually forbidden by God.

This act of creation of the mind and spirit is also the act of “fathering.” Whoever creates the mind in a person is the father of that person. Some of mankind have many fathers. Many teachers. The spirit of a person comes from the one(s) who inspires the mind. If the spirit is from man, it is not of or from God. It is from the ones of mankind who are separated from God.

The way established by God is that He is Creator; He is teacher; he shapes and forms the mind of mankind; He plants His Seed. This is how it was with Adam. This is how it was with Jesus of Nazareth and the other Sons of God. Every person who is this creation of God is the Son of God.

The way God structures the mind of mankind is a particular order in and by which substance is added to substance according to a perfect patter or design. For God takes from His mind and inspires this in the mind of mankind. In this way, “man” is created by God in the image of God; who is Spirit.

The Word from God is Spirit. This Spirit has a beginning and an end in mankind, while man is here in the physical. The Word from God; this Spirit; has a body just as a letter has a body. The entirety of this Spirit is called the “fullness” or being “filled” with this Spirit from God. “Holy” because it is from God and not man.

This spirit body is the body of the Son of God; the creation of God. When a person begins receiving the Word from God, the Son is conceived and is as an infant “person.” For this is a new person being created by God. By God this person is raised up to maturity. This creation is completed by God. The entirety of the Spirit from God is established in the mind and replaces what existed before receiving from God.

Any person who is or is becoming the creation of God receives only the Word or Spirit from God in matters pertaining to God. The spirit from fellow man is rejected and God alone is given honor as Creator and Teacher.

The spirit in the majority of mankind is the spirit of fallen mankind; beginning with Adam who fell away from God; separated from God. This spirit is what man sows in the minds of fellow man. It is the seed that brings the death Adam experienced.

From this death, the man known as Jesus of Nazareth was raised up. For in him, the Holy Spirit from God was resurrected and by this body of Spirit, he received the body of the Son of God; the mind and spirit of the Son of God; the mind and spirit of the “Christ” or “taught one” of God.

Being the “firstborn” in this manner by God, he taught others this way and many were born of this same Spirit after him. They also being the Sons of God.

Their minds were structured totally different that others of mankind. They were created in a different manner. They returned to the order established by God that mankind fell out of. The first to return, as the creation of God, was Jesus of Nazareth. He returned as “man” to where “man” once was in a relationship with God; the relationship established by God wherein God is Father and man the Son. God is Creator and man the creation.

This way of “Spirit” is neither well known nor understood by most of mankind. For most do not know nor understand “spirit” is the substance and matter that has been “inspired” in the mind.

It is this Spirit man must ask God for. It is this Spirit man receives from God as God inspires this Spirit in the minds of mankind.

It is the will and desire of God that each and every one of mankind receive this Spirit and become the creation of God; the Son of God. Only in this way does man return to God to be back in oneness with God.

There are no “special” people God chooses to receive this Spirit. God desires to be the Creator of all mankind. God desires to be the Father of all mankind.

When may a person ask and receive this Spirit from God? Now. As Paul declared; “Salvation is now.” Now is when a person conceives the reality of God creating this mind and spirit in mankind. When a person hears this word and believes it is possible for God to perform the works God has promised to perform.

In this way established by God, a person is given “food for thought” by God and this person must mediate on the Word received from God; digesting this Word; seeing what this Word means; and then lacing this Word in its proper place in the mind with other Word received from God. In this way, the temple of God is built; the temple of the Holy Spirit of/from God. This is the “House of God.” The house God has built.

Man cannot build a house that can contain God. Only God is able to convey the substance from His mind into the mind of mankind.

Salvation by God is in and by the way God has established. The only way of salvation is by God being Creator.

To meditate is to seek and find. The substance a person should meditate on is received by asking and receiving from God.

In the love of God,

DW Suiter

To my friends;

This post is my giving of what I have been taught; what I have learned; by following this way of Spirit. I am aware it is in conflict with many beliefs and teachings. However, this is what I offer other people. This is not an invitation to argue beliefs.

Any person may post their beliefs or what they know. Any person may respond to this post. I want to say however, there is not much sense in arguing a point. Either the word is truth or it is not and the only way to prove any word is to gain sure knowledge of truth, which is the way I have foillowed and the way I teach others.

So every person may do what they like with this word. It is given in the love of God so whoever desires may understand this way and follow this way. As you see in this post, I have honored God; given all honor to God for salvation; for giving; for fulfilling the promise. It has been in total faith and trust in God I have received from God.

Many people receive from God and among these, there are some who are the "little ones" just beginning this journey; just beginning to learn; and there are those who are the "elders" who have attained maturity. What a person knows for sure is dependent on the spiritual age one is.

In the love of God,

DW Suiter

I would like to chat about your post, but I want to first take my time and absorb it all!

DW

A very interesting post this and one which which raises many questions in those who are not familiar with it. I would like to ask you a few relevant questions if I may, to help clarify how you personally approach this? In fact the nuts and bolts of meditation.
How do you prepare yourself for meditation or is it spontaneous? Why I ask about the preparation is this, it is well known that meditation can be beset with all sorts of problems when seeking to allow our Creator into our minds to mold and re create us. "I stand at the door and knock......." To take a typical everyday example let us first take a solitary spot, a room, a cliff top miles from anywhere. A hill perhaps, gazing at the sea are a few examples so that we will not be disturbed as this is very important in order to be able to concentrate on the Almighty and His message (if any at that time). We sit and try to relax waiting upon God to speak to us in whatever way He chooses. Then a distraction floats into the mind, we develop an itch, these are simple examples, all of which serve to deflect us from the purpose in hand. Let's be practical here, what do you do to minimise these in order to give your mind wholeheartedly to God? How do you deal with distractions as I'm sure you will have them, Would you use a mantra for example? Some folks I know find gazing at a lit candle helps to focus the mind ready for God
I started along this road over 30 years ago and I have found that many are seeking help on the way.
Another point, I think I understand you correctly here but please correct me if I'm wrong, before allowing the mind to be stilled (one thinks of, "be still and know that I am God"). I would seek the protection of the Almighty in my case through Jesus Christ. I think you and I might disagree on this procedure but nevertheless I would be interested to see your comments on this forum. DW these are not idle questions they are questions to which I have some answers but would like to hear yours as a matter of courtesy first.
Please excuse the somewhat disjointed letter as I am still getting over the chemotherapy and it is early days yet.

In the Love of God

Dr Bill G4CWA.

"Humans spend enormous amounts of time, effort, and money on musical activities. Why? The modern, international field of music psychology is gradually exploring a multitude of issues that surround this central question. Music psychology may be regarded as scientific research about human culture. The results of this research have, and will continue to have, direct implications for matters of general concern: human values, human identity, human nature, and quality of life."


One need not believe in a particular religion or God to enjoy chants fire and pleasurable comunal experiences:::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skkX7OO32yc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxN4zROGh68


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj7lu47TrZQ



Music psychology, or the psychology of music, may be regarded either as a branch of psychology or as a branch of musicology. It aims to explain and understand musical behavior and musical experience. Modern music psychology is mainly empirical: music-psychological knowledge tends to advance primarily on the basis of interpretations of data about musical behavior and experience, which are collected by systematic observation of and interaction with human participants.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_psychology

g4cwa on Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:26 pm

DW



I refer you to the teaching that when one prays, to enter into a private place and shut out the world from the mind. The same for meditation. A quiet place without distraction is good, where a person can concentrate. The mind is emptied of all things except the matter to be meditated on. The mind is placed on God and God is asked to guide you into the truth of the matter.



There may be minor distractions but it is as the eye that is focused on a subject. The peripheral vision also sees but the focus is on the subject. If the eye remains focused on a subject for a short period of time, the peripheral vision shrinks and is gone. Handle distractions then resume the quest for knowledge and understanding. With practice, the mind grows stronger and meditation can be done in most places even with distractions. The key is to control the mind and keep the mind on the subject matter, resisting the temptation to be drawn away by distractions. Realizing this is God you are communicating with; the God of reality. This alone should prevent the mind from wandering because this is done in expectation of God giving what is asked for. The expectation should or must be in total truth and faith that God shall give what God has promised to give; knowledge, understanding, and wisdom. Another matter some have rasied is “How do you know you are being deceived by an evil spirit?” Simple. Whenever a person has entered into communication with God in love for God, nothing can interfere with this communication. As long as the mind remains in this love for God, it cannot wander and no other thoughts may enter the mind. God is wise enough to provide a safe way for His will to be done.

The “private chamber” is a part of the mind that contains all information concerning God. When in here all other parts of the mind are closed. It is a sanctuary and a Holy place where the Spirit of God is.




I focus on God; the love of God the promise of God, bringing these to mind. In trust and faith in God I allow the belief in God and the promise of God to control the mind. I only allow this Spirit to engage the mind.



I hope you are feeling better soon. But you are quite coherent.

You are correct is saying; “Be still and know that I am God.” Be aware of the presence of God.

The matter of Jesus, the Christ is another deep matter. And what I have learned is in conflict with the traditional beliefs of most people. However, the disciples of Jesus of Nazareth followed this way not being in the presence of Jesus of Nazareth. They came to the Father as he commanded, asked and received from the Father, God, as he taught them. As he declared it is the Holy Spirit that is from God that leads a person into all truth. This Spirit is from God and is the Word from God that proceeds forth from His mouth. This Spirit which is also the Spirit of truth, is what God inspires in the mind by revelation; revealing the truth as a person seeks to know and understand the truth.



And to you, the love of God,

DW Suiter

DW;
In the Spring and through the Fall, I spend much time in my garden where I am surrounded by the glory of what God has made. It is one of the most effective environments I have to meditate and pray. It is there I can keep everything in focus and perspective. It reminds me that I am as much a part of the garden as the garden is a part of me. I must plant and be planted, weed and be weeded, water and be watered, cultivate and be cultivated, and at the end of each encounter I reap the fruits of clarity, enlightenment, and wisdom that God has provided me, and God reaps the renewed Love, awe, and praise I give to Him. And you reminded me of what Jesus told His followers, "Blessed are you who see and believe, but more blessed is the one who does not see and yet believes." What I have learned is that, in our meditations we are seeking to understand God's Will for us, and in our prayers we ask Him for the power to carry out His Will for us....Piamaya Mitakola un Wakan Tanka yawaste'.....To`na Wanagi

DW
A very interesting post this and one which which raises many questions in those who are not familiar with it. I would like to ask you a few relevant questions if I may, to help clarify how you personally approach this? In fact the nuts and bolts of meditation.
How do you prepare yourself for meditation or is it spontaneous?


I refer you to the teaching that when one prays, to enter into a private place and shut out the world from the mind. The same for meditation. A quiet place without distraction is good, where a person can concentrate. The mind is emptied of all things except the matter to be meditated on. The mind is placed on God and God is asked to guide you into the truth of the matter.
OK no problem with this, you interestingly mention later about being able to meditate even in the midst of distractions. You are quite right as this is my experience too. I have found after a lot of years that I sometimes will suddenly become focused on the Almighty and everything else just falls away. During such times I am conscious of what can be described as an out of the body state and others have said my eyes are open but I do not seem to be affected by external happenings. To put it in another way, I am elsewhere. It’s not a dreamlike state at all as I am highly aware of the presence of the Almighty but at the same time not distracted by what is going on around me. My attention could be said to be riveted on His presence. Let me be quite clear at this point this is not an attempt to appear to be a mystic it just happens without any assistance from me and is spontaneous.

What I think is needed by those seeking to follow this path is maybe some guidelines and this is what I was trying to get you to tell us. Perhaps I should have phrased the question more directly? Where a lot of people find a problem is in the initial stages. You mention handling distractions and this is something which needs to be taught perhaps to seekers? I used to still my mind by using a mantra such as the word Jesus and found this is very effective in my experience. Simple slow repetition of the name focussed the mind on the things of the Spirit Sometimes I used to find breathing in and out slowly whilst repeating the name of Jesus was helpful but this was all in the first year or two of experiencing this kind of meditation. As the years passed these were less and less needed. What is your opinion about this?

Why I ask about the preparation is this, it is well known that meditation can be beset with all sorts of problems when seeking to allow our Creator into our minds to mold and re create us. "I stand at the door and knock......." To take a typical everyday example let us first take a solitary spot, a room, a cliff top miles from anywhere. A hill perhaps, gazing at the sea are a few examples so that we will not be disturbed as this is very important in order to be able to concentrate on the Almighty and His message (if any at that time). We sit and try to relax waiting upon God to speak to us in whatever way He chooses. Then a distraction floats into the mind, we develop an itch, these are simple examples, all of which serve to deflect us from the purpose in hand. Let's be practical here, what do you do to minimise these in order to give your mind wholeheartedly to God?


There may be minor distractions but it is as the eye that is focused on a subject. The peripheral vision also sees but the focus is on the subject. If the eye remains focused on a subject for a short period of time, the peripheral vision shrinks and is gone. Yes I know what you mean by this as this is my experience too. Handle distractions then resume the quest for knowledge and understanding. With practice, the mind grows stronger and meditation can be done in most places even with distractions. The key is to control the mind and keep the mind on the subject matter, (How DW? I have showed your reply to a friend and he is on the start of this road. This was his first reaction.) resisting the temptation to be drawn away by distractions. Realizing this is God you are communicating with; the God of reality. This alone should prevent the mind from wandering because this is done in expectation of God giving what is asked for. The expectation should or must be in total truth and faith that God shall give what God has promised to give; knowledge, understanding, and wisdom. Another matter some have raised is “How do you know you are being deceived by an evil spirit?” Simple. Whenever a person has entered into communication with God in love for God, nothing can interfere with this communication. As long as the mind remains in this love for God, it cannot wander and no other thoughts may enter the mind. God is wise enough to provide a safe way for His will to be done.

OK but what do you think about someone in the early stages who has not as yet been given the fullness of mind control? Until we have attained the full stature are there not some dangers? I would appreciate your thoughts as your statement certainly would apply to someone who shall we say has travelled along the path a way but what about the person at the starting blocks so to speak?

The “private chamber” is a part of the mind that contains all information concerning God. When in here all other parts of the mind are closed. It is a sanctuary and a Holy place where the Spirit of God is.

How do you deal with distractions as I'm sure you will have them, Would you use a mantra for example? Some folks I know find gazing at a lit candle helps to focus the mind ready for God


I focus on God; the love of God the promise of God, bringing these to mind. In trust and faith in God I allow the belief in God and the promise of God to control the mind. I only allow this Spirit to engage the mind. How DW? This is the crux of the matter I feel, would you like to elucidate further please?
I started along this road over 30 years ago and I have found that many are seeking help on the way.
Another point, I think I understand you correctly here but please correct me if I'm wrong, before allowing the mind to be stilled (one thinks of, "be still and know that I am God"). I would seek the protection of the Almighty in my case through Jesus Christ. I think you and I might disagree on this procedure but nevertheless I would be interested to see your comments on this forum. DW these are not idle questions they are questions to which I have some answers but would like to hear yours as a matter of courtesy first.
Please excuse the somewhat disjointed letter as I am still getting over the chemotherapy and it is early days yet.


I hope you are feeling better soon. But you are quite coherent. Thank you but don’t feel quite on the ball just yet.

You are correct is saying; “Be still and know that I am God.” Be aware of the presence of God.

The matter of Jesus, the Christ is another deep matter. And what I have learned is in conflict with the traditional beliefs of most people. However, the disciples of Jesus of Nazareth followed this way not being in the presence of Jesus of Nazareth. They came to the Father as he commanded, asked and received from the Father, God, as he taught them. As he declared it is the Holy Spirit that is from God that leads a person into all truth. This Spirit is from God and is the Word from God that proceeds forth from His mouth. This Spirit which is also the Spirit of truth, is what God inspires in the mind by revelation; revealing the truth as a person seeks to know and understand the truth.

I completely agree that it is the Holy Spirit himself who leads us into all truth that is sound knowledge. The first part of this paragraph I have some intellectual problems with and need to think this out for a while.

DW many thanks for your time taken on this matter I feel sure there are many who will be following this with interest. Take care Sir!
In the Love of God

Dr Bill G4CWA.


And to you, the love of God,

DW Suiter

To`na Wanagi;

What you have described is a wonderful way to move the mind into a “commune” with God, resulting in “communication.” Jesus of Nazareth spoke truth in saying; “My Father and I will come make our abode with you.”

Once God has planted many seed and the “tender young shoots” have broken through and are becoming mature, a person may also walk in this garden God has planted. Each planting or tree is a great principle from God, given to know and understand. The trees or vines are described many ways in scriptures including the “Rose of Sharon.” Jesus of Nazareth spoke of being the “vine” and also of being the tree of which others are branches. In the mind is this garden God has planted.

Any way of bringing the mind/spirit to God is acceptable for it is the matter of coming to God in spirit that is important. Again, as Jesus of Nazareth declared; “Those who worship God must do so in spirit and in truth.”

Perhaps you can teach your way to others.

In the love of God,

DW Suiter

Dr Bill G4CWA;

You have asked some very good questions, important questions.

When a person fist comes to God in this way, they are as new born children. A new born child knows nothing and understands nothing. When the child is hungry or thirsty, the child cries out. Food or drink is given but the child does not know nor understand what has happened. The child does not know who or what parents are or who and what the child is.

With mankind, it is the same when a person first enters into this way. Although they have “heard” about God they do not know God especially in this relationship of father and son.
But as the new spiritual child continues to cry out and make his needs known, he is given by God for his needs. Only when the child grows and matures is the child able to recognize and “know” his parents. In tine the child learns to crawl then walk. Then to speak. Eventually the child learns who and what he is and what his relationship is with his parents. It is the same when coming to God and being “adopted” by God as His child. Only in time is God “known” and the relationship with God known. Only in time does the child recognize and know his spiritual father.

This is a matter many do not understand and some expect to hear a booming voice when they ask of God. They must learn it is a growing process and only in time does a person reach the maturity of knowledge and understanding to know these matters.

A person must be careful when entering into deep meditation. I recall years ago, meditating while driving and realizing I had driven many miles with no recollection of driving those miles. My mind was in the Spirit with God and perhaps the mind is able to handle different tasks at the same time more than we know.

Yes, I understand how you were in meditation and oblivious to your surroundings. And this is the way it should be. As a teacher demands full attention, so also God. If a person wavers in their thought, the communication with God is lost and broken.

Another matter is the fear a person is being misled by a spirit not of God. If a person has learned the way by learning the principles of this way of Spirit, they know to seek and find God. Only when the mind wanders away from God and love for God is any other spirit able to come to mind. A person must understand, any thought or “voice” that promotes or suggests harm to another person is not of God. Any thought or voice that is not in agreement with the love of God is not of God.

There are some who do not know how to seek and find God and how to ask and receive from God and do hear their own mind as their mind brings spirit from man to the conscious mind. Perhaps the words of a spiritual teacher or religious teacher. Again we judge by the example set by Jesus of Nazareth who taught and encouraged all to enter into and follow this way of Spirit. If there was reason to fear, he would have stated this. But he said; “Have no fear.” And as is written; “Fear is not of God.”

In the beginning of this way of Spirit; of being taught by God; my personal experience has been that God reveals understanding that leads to knowledge. Just as the cartoon character of a person who is trying to figure something out, but can’t. Then we see the light bulb above the person indicating he “saw the light;” he saw and understood how something could be done. The principle or way was seen. Students in school and college go through this process as does every child as he is raised up by his parents. He asks, is given the answer, but he must think or visualize the substance of the answer in order for it to remain in the mind as knowledge. So also with what God gives. It must be meditated on until it is clearly seen, or understood. Then it must be placed in the mind in its proper place which is how it relates with other teachings from God. This of course refers to the “stones” from God that must be “heaved” into place as the building or temple is built.

Resulting in “living stones.” Having come from the Living God and the Living Spirit as opposed to the dead spirit of mankind, or the evil spirit of mankind.

The dangers you asked about are these. A person becomes discouraged because what they receive is not what they expected because they did not understand the way of God. Another is when half way through the transformation, to believe self is perfected and believe it is time to start ministering the Word of God. Many stumble and fall when the waves of doctrines come because they do not have the power of full knowledge and understanding. As is written, some stumble and fall to the wayside while in this journey. Others become “lame” being disabled by false teachings from others or “stumbling stones.” The greatest danger is to not continue in this journey with God, this transformation process.

As the new mind grows as a new person, this one is double minded. He may see and judge things as he was taught by man, or see and judge things as God has taught him. There is conflict and stress in the mind. This is normal for until the new person of God overcomes the old man of mankind, there is a struggle for control of the mind and the will. This is why it is important to continue with God who brings a person through this stage or period of growth.

Some may become angry and certainly most will disagree but the temptation Jesus of Nazareth experienced was this internal struggle. When a though from the old man he was came to mind, the mind sent forth a reminder of what God had written in his mind. The “conscience” of a person is this process of bringing to the conscious mind what is of God that has been placed in the mind. The “knowing” of right from wrong.

An infant in this way will continue to see and judge as fellow man has taught him for the “old man” is much stronger and mature. However in time, the old man dies away as the new man of God grows and develops. Again, this is why it is so important to remain in this way and if a person leaves this way, return as soon as possible.

In my early stages, I would at times, deny it was God teaching me and think to myself; “This is all the creation of my own mind.” I would leave this way only to return. Only in time was the substance from God so large and so overwhelming as evidence, I “knew” for sure all I had received was from God. Everything I was taught fit together perfectly and there was no conflict. Even with scriptures, there was no conflict even though new understanding was given as to what had been written.

I would speak about the matters of God in a different manner often described as a “foreign tongue” or I was “speaking in tongues” that was not understood. Just as when Jesus of Nazareth spoke of being “born again” and those with him asked how it was possible to re-enter the mother’s womb. They did not understand the spiritual aspect of this matter. I visited many religious organizations and spoke with the leaders and teachers but was turned away when I began speaking of actually being taught by God.

When this child of God is mature, there is great pressure on this person to bring the inner man to the outer for others to see and hear. There is temptation to keep this new person hidden inside. But this is the act of placing the candle under the basket. Of hiding the light a person has been enlightened with. It is against the will of God. So the pressure is great to remain true and faithful to God while knowing what others including friends and family will think and say. After all, who really believes a person may become the Son of God?

Those who have been through this process; who have gone the way; are able to teach others this way and what to expect in this way. The truth differs from religious teachings.
Paul wrote of the difficulties Jesus of Nazareth had in this transformation in the letter called “Hebrews.” Although a Son, through loud cryings and tears he learned obedience to what he had been taught by God and by this was saved by God from spiritual death. Imagine for a moment what is was like for him. The first Son and creation of God in centuries. Every mind he faced lacked knowledge and understanding of this way of God. But having gone this way himself, he taught those who remained with him, and they proved his word by following this way.

The “power” Jesus of Nazareth spoke of is the power of sure knowledge of the matters of God. The disciples were empowered by God with this power as is seen in scripture of their demeanour after their transformation by God.

People meditate all the time on other matters such as their job, their relationship; their careers, etc. They “think things through” with what is in the mind. With God, substance is given into the mind to meditate on. The person comes to God with an open mind ready to receive and seeks answers; seeks to know and understand.

When Jesus of Nazareth declared; “Seek and you shall find; ask and it shall be given;” he spoke of seeking to know and understand; to ask God to give what God has promised. A new mind and spirit; to engrave His Word in the inner parts. In the inner man He is creating. As with every word, Jesus of Nazareth spoke truth and this statement is one of the “key points” which are the “keys to the Kingdom of God” he spoke of. A “point” is a teaching of a principle brought in complete explanation so the point is made.

Perhaps a beginning for many people is to understand why Jesus of Nazareth emptied himself of all things. This again, is a “key.” The mind must be made ready for the Word from God and as is written God does not sow where another has sown seed. So the mind must be prepared for the Word from God. Everything a person has learned from fellow man concerning God must be removed. Except for those who are true ministers of God who have taught this way to God. This is “cleaning house” or clearing out the temple. Making the mind clean and pure and acceptable to God for union with God.

Dr Bill, I could go into greater depth on many issues and create an extremely long post but perhaps it is best if you present questions as you have and I will give you what I have learned.

I hope you are feeling better.

In the love of God,

DW Suiter

DW and g4cwa;
What you speak of is the discernment process of asking the question and knowing the answer, "Is this of God or of man?" As I weed my garden early, when the shoots are new, I sometimes am unsure if they are flowers, vegetables or weeds because they are so similar with their primary leaves. So I have to wait and keep a close eye on them daily for them to show themselves for what they really are. Then I can discern what I should do and move them where they belong. And when you live in the desert, many so called weeds have usefulness too. So I often transplant them on our land that they may prosper and become useful to me in the future to use as teas, medicine, or other things. Even the lowly ragweed provides greens to my chickens. And whatever is left may be burned and the ashes strewn onto the garden or tilled into the soil to enrich it. In this metaphor I recognize that we are all children of God and we all have potential to become more useful to God....Pilamaya Tiblos un yawaste'....To`na Wanagi

Hi D.W.

You wrote…

“Perhaps a beginning for many people is to understand why Jesus of Nazareth emptied himself of all things.”

On what do you base this statement? That Jesus of Nazareth emptied Himself?

I hope you are doing well today.

Blessings
Bill

This is a matter many do not understand and some expect to hear a booming voice when they ask of God. They must learn it is a growing process and only in time does a person reach the maturity of knowledge and understanding to know these matters.

One thinks of the still small voice Samuel heard and Eli did not.

I understand this after all when a child asks a parent for something we as parents know from experience that to give a child certain things at that stage might be harmful to the child and so it is with God our Father when we pray for things and the prayer is not answered. Indeed it can well be delayed until we are ready for it etc. Actually the very point you are making

A person must be careful when entering into deep meditation. I recall years ago, meditating while driving and realizing I had driven many miles with no recollection of driving those miles. My mind was in the Spirit with God and perhaps the mind is able to handle different tasks at the same time more than we know.

This has also happened to me and scared the daylights out of me as I drove over 200 miles without any recollection whatsoever. Not good for the nerves in retrospect!

Yes, I understand how you were in meditation and oblivious to your surroundings. And this is the way it should be. As a teacher demands full attention, so also God. If a person wavers in their thought, the communication with God is lost and broken.

A rider to this I forgot to mention I can at times be gazing at something and fall into deep meditation too. At the sea, or a light for example.

Another matter is the fear a person is being misled by a spirit not of God. If a person has learned the way by learning the principles of this way of Spirit, they know to seek and find God. Only when the mind wanders away from God and love for God is any other spirit able to come to mind. A person must understand, any thought or “voice” that promotes or suggests harm to another person is not of God. Any thought or voice that is not in agreement with the love of God is not of God.

This is a very real fear of most people as when the mind is stilled to receive God it can, if the concentration lapses allow other things to enter. DW I still feel that to ask the protection Of God (in my case through Jesus Christ) is a very wise thing until one has attained some maturity in this way.

There are some who do not know how to seek and find God and how to ask and receive from God and hear their own mind as their mind brings spirit from man to the conscious mind. Perhaps the words of a spiritual teacher or religious teacher. Again we judge by the example set by Jesus of Nazareth who taught and encouraged all to enter into and follow this way of Spirit. If there was reason to fear, he would have stated this. But he said; “Have no fear.” And as is written; “Fear is not of God.”

In the beginning of this way of Spirit; of being taught by God; my personal experience has been that God reveals understanding that leads to knowledge. Just as the cartoon character of a person who is trying to figure something out, but can’t. Then we see the light bulb above the person indicating he “saw the light;” he saw and understood how something could be done. The principle or way was seen. Students in school and college go through this process as does every child as he is raised up by his parents. He asks, is given the answer, but he must think or visualize the substance of the answer in order for it to remain in the mind as knowledge. So also with what God gives. It must be meditated on until it is clearly seen, or understood. Then it must be placed in the mind in its proper place which is how it relates with other teachings from God. This of course refers to the “stones” from God that must be “heaved” into place as the building or temple is built.

Yes I agree with this statement, revelation built upon careful consideration i.e. meditating of the given knowledge is very wise. I am very skeptical at times by so called instant revelation, although to be fair it has happened to me in the past in the mission field when having major problems with a radio transmitter for example and I have been baffled as to the cause of the problem. Yes even doctor engineers get baffled at times and need the Almighty Engineer to give advice!

Resulting in “living stones.” Having come from the Living God and the Living Spirit as opposed to the dead spirit of mankind, or the evil spirit of mankind.

The dangers you asked about are these. A person becomes discouraged because what they receive is not what they expected because they did not understand the way of God. Another is when half way through the transformation, to believe self is perfected and believe it is time to start ministering the Word of God. Many stumble and fall when the waves of doctrines come because they do not have the power of full knowledge and understanding. As is written, some stumble and fall to the wayside while in this journey. Others become “lame” being disabled by false teachings from others or “stumbling stones.” The greatest danger is to not continue in this journey with God, this transformation process.

This I feel DW is where someone who has travelled along this road further can be of help to the aspirant. The danger here is that the helper has to be humble enough not to try and control the aspirant or indeed try to give the impression that they know it all because the truth of the matter is that we don’t, we shall continue along this road until we depart this mortal coil.

As the new mind grows as a new person, this one is double minded. He may see and judge things as he was taught by man, or see and judge things as God has taught him. There is conflict and stress in the mind. This is normal for until the new person of God overcomes the old man of mankind, there is a struggle for control of the mind and the will. This is why it is important to continue with God who brings a person through this stage or period of growth.

Very normal indeed, completely agree.

Some may become angry and certainly most will disagree but the temptation Jesus of Nazareth experienced was this internal struggle. When a thought from the old man he was came to mind, the mind sent forth a reminder of what God had written in his mind. The “conscience” of a person is this process of bringing to the conscious mind what is of God that has been placed in the mind. The “knowing” of right from wrong.


An infant in this way will continue to see and judge as fellow man has taught him for the “old man” is much stronger and mature. However in time, the old man dies away as the new man of God grows and develops. Again, this is why it is so important to remain in this way and if a person leaves this way, return as soon as possible.

I agree with these last three paragraphs with no problems sir.

In my early stages, I would at times, deny it was God teaching me and think to myself; “This is all the creation of my own mind.” I would leave this way only to return. Only in time was the substance from God so large and so overwhelming as evidence, I “knew” for sure all I had received was from God. Everything I was taught fit together perfectly and there was no conflict. Even with scriptures, there was no conflict even though new understanding was given as to what had been written.

This is of course the "dying to self process".

You have made an important point here that there is no conflict with scriptures a very wise point DW.

I would speak about the matters of God in a different manner often described as a “foreign tongue” or I was “speaking in tongues” that was not understood. Just as when Jesus of Nazareth spoke of being “born again” and those with him asked how it was possible to re-enter the mother’s womb. They did not understand the spiritual aspect of this matter. I visited many religious organizations and spoke with the leaders and teachers but was turned away when I began speaking of actually being taught by God.

Even when not mentioning being taught by God you will still find fear and the turning away DW. This has been my experience too from many fellow clergymen. However I have to say that in my case there were many of the higher ups who followed the same path as I so one cannot generalise We can only speak of what we know and have experienced

When this child of God is mature, there is great pressure on this person to bring the inner man to the outer for others to see and hear. There is temptation to keep this new person hidden inside. But this is the act of placing the candle under the basket. Of hiding the light a person has been enlightened with. It is against the will of God. So the pressure is great to remain true and faithful to God while knowing what others including friends and family will think and say. After all, who really believes a person may become the Son of God?

I would be happier to say a Son of God a fellow brother or sister of Jesus Christ by adoption into the family of God but am still thinking through this and asking for clarification. However one thing is very clear one should not hide any knowledge given by God as it is not only for the recipient but for all. It is a duty to spread this far and wide.

Those who have been through this process; who have gone the way; are able to teach others this way and what to expect in this way. The truth differs from religious teachings.

Yes I feel this is important provided they want to learn. "You can lead the horse to water but cannot make it drink" springs to mind as a caveat.

Paul wrote of the difficulties Jesus of Nazareth had in this transformation in the letter called “Hebrews.” Although a Son, through loud cryings and tears he learned obedience to what he had been taught by God and by this was saved by God from spiritual death. Imagine for a moment what is was like for him. The first Son and creation of God in centuries. Every mind he faced lacked knowledge and understanding of this way of God. But having gone this way himself, he taught those who remained with him, and they proved his word by following this way.

The “power” Jesus of Nazareth spoke of is the power of sure knowledge of the matters of God. The disciples were empowered by God with this power as is seen in scripture of their demeanour after their transformation by God.

The Holy Spirit taught them well for as Christ said,”He will lead you into all truth”.

People meditate all the time on other matters such as their job, their relationship; their careers, etc. They “think things through” with what is in the mind. With God, substance is given into the mind to meditate on. The person comes to God with an open mind ready to receive and seeks answers; seeks to know and understand.

When Jesus of Nazareth declared; “Seek and you shall find; ask and it shall be given;” he spoke of seeking to know and understand; to ask God to give what God has promised. A new mind and spirit; to engrave His Word in the inner parts. In the inner man He is creating. As with every word, Jesus of Nazareth spoke truth and this statement is one of the “key points” which are the “keys to the Kingdom of God” he spoke of. A “point” is a teaching of a principle brought in complete explanation so the point is made.

Perhaps a beginning for many people is to understand why Jesus of Nazareth emptied himself of all things. This again, is a “key.” The mind must be made ready for the Word from God and as is written God does not sow where another has sown seed. So the mind must be prepared for the Word from God. Everything a person has learned from fellow man concerning God must be removed. Except for those who are true ministers of God who have taught this way to God. This is “cleaning house” or clearing out the temple. Making the mind clean and pure and acceptable to God for union with God.

DW a thought why not a post for the absolute beginner couched in language that an aspirant could grasp readily? I could add my my two cents worth if you like?

Finally I haven't finished with this letter yet this is an interim thought so to speak. Thank you once again for your time, I appreciate it very much and I think our corespondence may well help to kindle some response from others
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May the Lord Bless you and keep you!

Dr Bill G4CWA

To Dr BB

Bill would Philippians chapter 2 verse 7 fit the bill?


5. Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,
6. who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
**7. but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. **
8. And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross.

Blessings

Dr Bill G4CWA

Some people say that meditation is sitting with perfect silence without any process of thought. Such a contention is meaningless because it virtually amounts to a nice sleep only. These people further misinterpret that such a meditation is concentration on formless God (Nirakara). Gita says that one cannot concentrate on formless God (Avyakthahi Gatih). The meditation of formless God becomes true if one concentrate on the true knowledge of God. Veda says that true knowledge is the real form of the Lord (Satyam Jnanam Anantam Brahma). Knowledge is formless. Therefore the formless God means only the true divine knowledge about the Lord. This is the correct interpretation of Sankaras philosophy. The great ancient Vedic sages sat in the formless meditation and this statement means that they concentrated on the divine knowledge (Brahma Jnana), which was expressed as Upanishaths in their mutual discussions (Satsanga).

The actual meaning of the word Dhyanam is the process of functioning of intelligence (Dhee or Buddhi) and this pertains to the field of knowledge (Vijnanamaykosa). Some people interpret that meditation means concentration on the form of the Lord like the light blue colour, peacock feather on the head, flute in the hand etc., Instead of concentrating mentally upon such objects, one can see these things in a photo or see the objects directly kept on a table. If these things constitute the divinity there is no need of concentrating on these things. One can attain the divinity by applying light blue colour on his own body, by putting a peacock feather on the head and by catching a flute by hand. Such a divinity can be attained without any meditation. So meditation becomes meaningless in such a line. This is the reason why Sankara discarded the meditation of a form (Saguna Brahman). Ofcourse attraction by such things towards the Lord will help a person to develop the attachment on the Lord. One may be attracted to Lord Krishna by such things and then finally get attracted towards His divine knowledge as preached in Bhagavatgita.

Such things may be initial promoters but the final is only the divine knowledge, which will help any one in his effort (Sadhana) to please the Lord. The divine knowledge resulting in the realization will impart a tension free peace and tranquility to the mind. By such state one will attain perfect health of body and mind and thus the benefit is directly seen here itself.

Ex:- If one realizes that this gross body of the soul is only the external dramatic dress as said in Gita (Vaasamsi Jeernani), he will immediately realize that these family bonds are only the bonds in the drama. The soul forgets the bonds of the previous birth as an actor forgets the bonds of previous drama. If these bonds are real the soul should have remembered its relatives of the previous birth. Such a divine knowledge on memorization enters the nerves of a person and he will not have any tension about his family members. He does his duties without any trace of tension. This is the salvation while alive (Jeevanmukthi). Thus meditation means continuous remembering of the divine knowledge which yields the direct fruit here itself. Such a person gets a fruit in the upper world also. The only one Lord is the authority here and there also. Anybody blessed here will be blessed there also. If one is not blessed here he is not blessed in the upper world also. The grace of the Lord or the anger of the Lord is uniform here and there. One who is not blessed here cannot be blessed there. Thus the true knowledge blesses any person here and there. Meditation is continuous thinking of such knowledge and other interpretations are either useless or of little use.

Dr Bill G4CWA



This is a good idea but this requires explaining the way as taught by Jesus of Nazareth in terms that are opposed by religionists. If others who oppose this way would respect this as a gift to others for others to choose or reject, and not drag the principle into an emotional quagmire of opinion, some good would be derived.

If responses address the principles given, a good discussion could be the result. For instance, the principle of being taught truth by God is a principle many do not believe is possible. If a person does not believe this is possible, the reasons should be given with the principles that person relies on in their belief. Just arguing belief serves no good purpose. Discussing principles, is a positive and constructive approach that is preferred.

I always present this principle I learned long ago. The only way to "prove" a word to be truth or a lie is to be in possession of sure knowledge of truth and this is only possible when taught truth by God. Mere belief is of religions which are created as belief systems. There are endless ongoing arguments and disputes among religionists as to what the truth is according to their beliefs which differ. Basing an argument on one's interpretation of scriptures does not prove anything for all religionists rely on their interpretation of scriptures.

It is not possible for a person to gain sure knowledge of truth from a religion. The question certainly arises; "Which religion if any possesses knowledge of truth and how are they able to prove this?" And the principle comes up, "Didn't those who persecuted Jesus of Nazareth and the other Sons of God profess to know the truth?"

Addressing principles with reason and logic is what I prefer in communications.

Having said that, the matter of teaching others this "Way of Spirit" is not difficult. Most however, would expect the teaching to agree with the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth and the other Sons of God as scriptures relate. For almost all of mankind has been taught to use scriptures or the "bible" as the way to learn about God. Few have been taught to come directly to God to learn about God and the matters of God.

This way as I teach agrees with the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth but in a different "Light" or understanding of what scriptures are "saying."

The "gospel" or "good news" must be understood as a starting point. God "news" refers to what was new compared to the religions of the day. It referred to the way of salvation by God. "New" in the sense that is was new to mankind but not new in regards to the works of God. For the salvation by God has not changed and remains as it was when "Adam" was first created by God.

These matters may be taught but in order to follow this way of spirit a person must believe what is being said is possible and is willing to follow this way as "required" which means in full faith and trust in God that God shall perform the works of promise as taught.

A question arises, who is teaching and who has taught man cannot be taught truth directly by God in this day and hour? And what is this teaching based on? Where is it written in scriptures, man cannot be taught truth by God at any and all times? This is the basis for opposition to the teaching of the way of Spirit and the way of learning sure knowledge of truth. It is unbelief in this way of being taught truth by God that prevents people from being taught truth by God.

This principle must be addressed. A statement from a religious leader or teacher stating a person cannot be taught truth by God in this day and hour has no value. Any word such as this must be proved to be a fact or truth. But then again, the only way to prove, is by receiving the Word and teachings from God that are truth. For the unbeliever, this leaves no open door to know the truth. This person must remain in mere belief of what he/she has chosen to believe from the many different beliefs of mankind concerning God.

This is what Jesus of Nazareth faced with those he spoke to and taught this way of Spirit. Only those who did believe his word and did follow this way of Spirit and did come to God and were taught truth by God, knew this way to be true for the Word and teachings they received from God proved this way of being taught by God. This proved the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth were all true. But it only proved to those who believed and came to God in this way of Spirit. Even though their word substantiated the word of Jesus of Nazareth, few believed this word Just as few believed the word of Jesus of Nazareth for only a few entered into this way as he taught. But those who did, testified of this reality of being taught truth directly by God.

Those who were taught by God taught others this way. Some believed and did follow this way. Others did but fell away as scriptures relate in a word from Paul declaring to these they had need of milk which is to learn the way again to get back on track. As was foretold, mankind fell away from this way losing this knowledge of this way of Spirit, returning to the way of religion.

Those who have no "teeth" refers to the infants who cannot "eat" the "meat" which refers to chewing on a mater and digesting the meat of a matter. Infants are fed "milk" until they mature enough to be able to eat the "meat."

So in the teachings of the way, the milk must be given to those desiring to enter into this way. The foundational teachings must be set in place which is the foundation on which God builds.

The foundational teachings are the "good news" and the "way of being taught directly by God by way of Spirit which is of course the Holy Spirit from God that teaches a person all truth from God. For it is God who inspires this Spirit in the mind of the one receiving from God.

Those who have a sincere desire to "know the truth" as taught by God, can certainly read and understand the way as taught but they must realize the reality of Jesus of Nazareth declaring the way is not easy. It is a journey and a process of transformation a person must go through. This way requires much meditation and working of the mind. For the transformation by God is the transformation of the mind with the new Spirit; by renewing the mind with truth.

All are welcome to join this discussion but please, address the principles presented and try to refrain from emotional responses that lack substance and opposing views by principle.

In the love of God,

DW Suiter

DW;
So give us the milk first, Mitakola! Then wait for the responses, and the questions, and the criticisms, as you know they will happen. But go slowly and elaborate in a language that is friendly and not confrontational. I'll read what you have to say and consider it. If this is your way and your faith, don't get caught up in the semantics of others, but follow what God directs you to do. Does it matter what others say? No, but consider their perspectives as they understand their way and also question them as they question you."Be not afraid, but stand and speak!"...God's Peace and Wisdom in your endeavors.....To`na Wanagi

To`na Wanagi;

Thank you for the response. Even the "milk" requires explaining basic principles that are seen in a new and different "Light" than what is commonly taught by religions. The principle being taught must be absorbed and seen by understanding what the result of followig this principle is.

I referred to the principle in my post of first understanding the principle of God teaching mankind truth is a principle of God that is the will of God. It is the will of God that none perish but all come into the knowledge of truth, as scriptures relate. So the beginning point is to realize God "is" which means God exists in reality, and to know the will of God for all mankind. Then a person must realize God is able to perform the works God has promised to perform, and to fulfill the "promise."

So we will begin this process of offering teachings to those who want to learn; those who want to really "know the truth" as Jesus of Nazareth decalred a person shall know. If they follow this way of Spirit.

Any person who does follow this way and does place all faith and trust in God, that God shall fulfill His promise, shall receive the fulfilling of this promise and by this prove what is being taught in this way. However, this transformation process takes time just as it takes time to raise a child from infancy to maturity. These are the "ages" God raises a person up through.

So there is no booming voice saying; "DW Suiter speaks truth." What I present in my word is proved by the Word from God according to the order God has established to teach His truth. Please understand, I teach the way; God teaches the truth. I lay a foundation with foundational teachings; God builds the temple with the cooperation of the one receiving from God. God provides the building "stones" and the person receiving must learn these and set them in their proper place. This is the "heave offering" to God; to heave these stones in place. A metaphor feferring to the old way of building a temple with stones.

Many have received from God in this way and may not totally understand this way. It is a natural way established by God and any person sincerely desiring to know truth of a matter may be enlightened by God. It is not my way nor Jesus of Nazareth's way; it is the way of God.

We'll start with the milk very shortly.

In the love of God,

DW Suiter

Hi Bill g4cwa


You wrote…

“Bill would Philippians chapter 2 verse 7 fit the bill?
5. Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,
6. who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
**7. but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. **
8. And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross.”

(Answer)
No it does not fit the bill. The context here speaks of Christ who is God and was with God in the beginning. Came and “taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.”

Paul is not telling the Philippians (or us) that they were equal to God at any time, nor do they need to empty themselves… He is telling them that God came down to them by becoming flesh.

Think of the parible of the mercahant and the pearl of great price. He left and sold all He had to get this pearl. It is not we that are asked to do this it is Him who has done this FOR US.

It remains ALL about Him not us.

My question stands to D.W. What do you base your teaching on, that we must empty ourselves?

Blessings
Bill

Sorry Bill

I did not grasp what you were getting at correctly. The chemotherapy does some strange things to the mind! I'll shut up for a while until I get back to normal LOL.

Blessings

Bill

Dr Bill G4CWA

Hi Dr Bill

No worries, I am praying for your physical recovery, strength for your family and wisdom for your doctors daily. Please do not hesitate to post to me. I have found your words to be wise and Godly.
Shalom
Bill

Hello Bill;

Bill asked;



It is based on the way taught by Jesus of Nazareth of which he is the example. It is based on the fact God does not plant His Word/Seed where anoher has planted. It is based on the fact the mind must be prepared' a place prepared for the Holy Spirit from God. It is based on the fact a person must become "clean as a virgin" in order to be acceptable to God in the union God offers. It is based on the teaching persons must come to God as little children, knowing nothing and having minds not perverted by the teachings of mankind. It is based on the Word from God explaining this way of Spirit that is salvation by God. God does not compete with religions of man nor the beliefs of man. If a person loves God they will come to God with a clean mind ready to receive the Living Word from the Living God that God has promised to give. In order to have a clean mind, the mind must be emptied; the sins washed away;"sin" being the act of believing a lie; a falsehood. The truue teachings of this way established by God wash away the sin of believing teachings that are opposed to the Word of God. It was the word and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth that made his disciples "clean." All who have gone this way and have been taught by God as Jesus of Nazareth was, are able to make a person clean by the same act. However, a person must be willing to empty their mind of the sin; the belief in falsehoods.

A person cannot serve two masters. Either a person honors God or fellow man and his religions. Either he places his faith and trust in God or in the word of fellow man. If a person truly loves God; honors God alone as teacher; places total faith and trust in God; he will remove all word and teachings from mankind from his mind and receive the Word from God that God has promised to give.

In the love of God,

DW Suiter

Hi D.W.

Please indulge me to respond to this line by line.

(D.W.) It is based on the way taught by Jesus of Nazareth of which he is the example.

(A) Jesus of Nazareth was and is God. This can’t be taught. It is who He is. Teaching someone else to be someone else is not possible. I can not teach you to be me, though I can teach you my ways. This is what He taught, His ways.

(D.W.)It is based on the fact God does not plant His Word/Seed where anoher has planted.

(A) We are born of a sinful nature. He came for the sinner not the righteous. We cannot make ourselves clean. He does this, not us. And He does plant His seeds in the sinful... Wichever that takes root may depend on which we choose to water. His seed or mans.

(D.W.)It is based on the fact the mind must be prepared' a place prepared for the Holy Spirit from God.

(A) He does this as well. If this was something a man could do, than a man could take credit for doing so. "Least I may brag"

(D.W.)It is based on the fact a person must become "clean as a virgin" in order to be acceptable to God in the union God offers.

(A) God alone cleanses us through Christ His Son and our aceptance of the gift of His grace.

(D.W.)It is based on the teaching persons must come to God as little children, knowing nothing and having minds not perverted by the teachings of mankind.

(A) Yes “humble” as children are to a father. Not empty as a jar.

(D.W)It is based on the Word from God explaining this way of Spirit that is salvation by God. God does not compete with religions of man nor the beliefs of man.

(A) It remains all about Him.

(D.W.) If a person loves God they will come to God with a clean mind ready to receive the Living Word from the Living God that God has promised to give.

(A) God alone does this, man in his sinful nature can not. This is why we so desperately need Him.

(D.W.) In order to have a clean mind, the mind must be emptied; the sins washed away;"sin" being the act of believing a lie; a falsehood. The truue teachings of this way established by God wash away the sin of believing teachings that are opposed to the Word of God.

(A) Sin is not just the believing a lie but acting on it. "If anyoneone among you claim to be without sin, the truth is not in him."

(D.W.) It was the word and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth that made his disciples "clean."

(A) WRONG. It is by who He is and the acceptance of His Grace, that anyone is made clean.

(D.W.)All who have gone this way and have been taught by God as Jesus of Nazareth was, are able to make a person clean by the same act.

(A) WRONG. Christ was never sinful as all others are.

(D.W.) However, a person must be willing to empty their mind of the sin; the belief in falsehoods.

(A)By this statement, if it is something that is dependant on us, than His sacrifice at Calvary is made meaningless. We can not pay our debt of our sin to clean ourselves. This remains a God thing.

I will continue to pray for you.
Blessings
Bill

Hello Bill;

I understand you have strong beliefs. However, this is all you are offering. We've been through this before and I refuse to enter into communications with a person who wants to argue their beliefs. You certainly are entitled to you opinion but I refuse to be drawn down into the quagmire you desire.

I am aware you do not believe a perosn may be taught truth by God and reject the way I teach. However, you remain in your beliefs and have never attempted to prove the way I teach. You word, belief, opinion, proves nothing. There are thousands of other religionists who would probably like to argue beliefs with you. I suggest you communicate with these so you can argue how righteous you are and how wrong others are. But he yardstick you use is the same as they use; your beliefs Vs their beliefs.

If possible I would like for you to respond with principles to substantiate your statements.

BTW Bill, here is a passage from scripture you may want to meditate on.

`I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman; every branch in me not bearing fruit, He doth take it away, and every one bearing fruit, He doth cleanse by pruning it, that it may bear more fruit;
already ye are clean, because of the word that I have spoken to you;


In the love of God,

DW Suiter

It is written, the beginning of wisdom is to realize and know “God is.” These words speak of a principle. A principle that must be meditated on until a person does realize and know God “is.”

Many scriptures from many different sources speak of the “Supreme Being” called “God” in many languages and religions. Scriptures are read and the stories are read that are the writings of man who declares having communicated with God. At this point, it doesn’t matter who wrote what. What is important is the fact so many have written about the reality of God. And the reality of God communicating with mankind. The reality of mankind experiencing the reality of the existence of God.

Reality is that which actually exists outside of the mind. Reality is that which the mind gains knowledge of. Sometimes. Sometimes, the mind does not experience the reality but is offered information about the reality. This is what scriptures do. This is what the “bible” does. These offer information written by man concerning the reality of God.

Unfortunately, these scriptures have been translated and interpreted in many different ways resulting in many different beliefs in regards to what the scriptures are actually saying. Many different religions have been created by mankind based on the particular interpretation and understanding of scriptures by an individual or individuals. The interpretation and understanding is what they “believe” the scriptures are portraying.

A person could memorize all scriptures and still not know God. All that can be done and accomplished in this way is to know what others have written and believe concerning God.

About two thousand years ago a man known as Jesus of Nazareth starting teaching his fellow man about the reality of God and how to “know” God. This we in this day do not “know” but believe according to scriptures. We know what scriptures relate but we do not know the reality that actually occurred. What follows is based on the accounts of scripture.

This man began declaring to others that he had “good news.” He declared there was a way for mankind to know the truth concerning God and the matters of God, other than the way of religion and the way of interpreting scriptures. He declared a person could actually come to God and experience the reality of God. Even more startling statements from this man included statements that he had been taught by God; that he was the Son of God; that God was his Father. This of course, contradicted the religious beliefs and teachings in his community and social order.

He proclaimed many things concerning God and the way of salvation by God. He gathered many followers but when his teachings became hard to “swallow” most turned back to the way of religion. Only a few remained with him wanting to learn more about God and this way of salvation.

Scriptures name these as “disciples.” Later, it is said and believed, these wrote the “New Testaments.” Writings concerning God from some who testified to what they had experienced.

These scriptures present a picture of what they saw and heard. They were taught by Jesus of Nazareth that if they followed the way he taught, they would know the truth concerning the matters of God because they would be taught by God; the “Author” of truth.

These testified they had followed this way and indeed were taught truth by God and became the Sons of God. Their testaments are quite different than the “Old Testament” of others of mankind.

At this point the question should come to mind; “Who were these men and why were they the only ones who testified of being taught truth by God?” “Were they “special” in some way?” “Were they different than the average or common man?”

Did they speak the truth in their testaments? Did the man Jesus of Nazareth speak truth? How is it possible to know if they spoke truth or not? Is there a way to prove what they declared to be truth is really true?

The principle of God teaching these men truth; of these men becoming the Sons of God; must be meditated on. It must be meditated on until the reality is realized. God exists in reality, a reality these men experienced.

Who does God desire to save? All mankind. Is this way of salvation by God for all mankind? Yes. When may a person be saved by God? When a person enters into and follows this way established by God; this way in which God is Teacher of truth; God is creator of the mind and spirit; God is the transformer of a person; God brings a person out of unrighteousness into righteousness.

Why aren’t people following this way of salvation? Mankind fell away from God and lost knowledge and understanding of this way, replacing this way with the many ways religions teach. Many religions teach this way is not possible. The followers of these religions have unbelief in this way of God’s salvation.

It is not found in scriptures any statement or word that declares a person cannot be saved by God in this way. In fact, the opposite is true. Nowhere is it found in scripture that any person cannot be saved by this way established by God. The opposite is true.

This way of salvation by God is for all mankind at all times. It is the will of God and the desire of God to return mankind to where he fell away from in Adam. A oneness with God; a union with God; in mind and spirit in which God is Father, man the Son; God the Creator; man the creation.

This a person must meditate on. Only God saves, not mankind nor the religions of mankind. God has established His way of saving mankind. This way was taught by Jesus of Nazareth who himself had followed this way. He received the Holy Spirit from God and in this was raised from spiritual death to spiritual life. All who are saved by God are saved in this same way.

He became the Son of God and those who followed the way he taught also became this same Son of God for there is but one Son of God as a type and kind of person. Mankind was predestined by God to be this Son of God.

In this way of salvation by God a person must be born again, born of the Spirit and Water from God. The “waters from above.” “Waters” refer to the speakings and teachings. The waters of man are “Wormwood” or waters of death. The word of man perpetuates the seed and death of Adam. All are in this death until they are saved from this death by God. As Jesus of Nazareth was saved from this death, all are saved from this death in this same way. His disciples were saved in and by this same way declaring they were joint heirs with Jesus of Nazareth in all he received from God.

Giving the Word from God a person has received has been described as “sowing seed.” Every person sows seed. The seed is the word they plant in the minds of others. The most commonly known planting is the “sowing the seed of fear.” In other words, a word or teaching can manipulate the emotions of a person causing that person to respond in a particular way the manipulator desires. Employees are some times subject to fear as a management style by those who manage them. Religionists are often manipulated by the use of fear tactics.

But there is good seed that is also planted. The seed of hope, and faith, and promise, to name a few. The seed sown by the Sons of God is the teaching of the promise of God and how this promise is fulfilled with those who receive the word in belief. Others reject the word or receive the word and allow a manipulator to remove the seed/word. This principle is seen in the scriptures such as this;

And he saith to them, `Have ye not known this simile? and how shall ye know all the similes?

14 He who is sowing doth sow the word;

15 and these are they by the way where the word is sown: and whenever they may hear, immediately cometh the Adversary, and he taketh away the word that hath been sown in their hearts.

16 `And these are they, in like manner, who on the rocky ground are sown: who, whenever they may hear the word, immediately with joy do receive it,

17 and have not root in themselves, but are temporary; afterward tribulation or persecution having come because of the word, immediately they are stumbled.

18 `And these are they who toward the thorns are sown: these are they who are hearing the word,

19 and the anxieties of this age, and the deceitfulness of the riches, and the desires concerning the other things, entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.

20 `And these are they who on the good ground have been sown: who do hear the word, and receive, and do bear fruit, one thirty-fold, and one sixty, and one an hundred.`

21 And he said to them, `Doth the lamp come that under the measure it may be put, or under the couch -- not that it may be put on the lamp-stand?

22 for there is not anything hid that may not be manifested, nor was anything kept hid but that it may come to light.

23 If any hath ears to hear -- let him hear.`

24 And he said to them, `Take heed what ye hear; in what measure ye measure, it shall be measured to you; and to you who hear it shall be added;

25 for whoever may have, there shall be given to him, and whoever hath not, also that which he hath shall be taken from him.`

26 And he said, `Thus is the reign of God: as if a man may cast the seed on the earth,

27 and may sleep, and may rise night and day, and the seed spring up and grow, he hath not known how;

28 for of itself doth the earth bear fruit, first a blade, afterwards an ear, afterwards full corn in the ear;

29 and whenever the fruit may yield itself, immediately he doth send forth the sickle, because the harvest hath come.`

This simile explains the different minds and the different responses of those that hear the word of truth concerning the way of salvation by God. A principle must be recognized which is this; Jesus of Nazareth spoke this word of truth. Only a few believed what he said and taught. The majority turned their back to him and many hated and despised him because of the word he gave. The religionists attempted to discredit him and falsely accused him of being a false prophet. Because of what had been sown in their minds by the religions. They were victims of false teachings.

The “adversary” is a type and kind of person who fights against the Word of God and the works of God. This person always attacks the word of truth when it is given in attempts to discredit and manipulate the minds of those hearing this word. This person, the adversary, always speaks against the way of salvation by God; the way of God teaching mankind truth by inspiring the Holy Spirit in the minds of mankind. The “seed” sown by Jesus of Nazareth was this Holy Spirit given him by God for all he taught he had been taught by God. As is written in scriptures; “The word I speak is not mine but is given to me by my Father.”

Whosoever has received the Word from God has received this Holy Spirit and when this Word from God is given to others it is the Holy Spirit they are giving. Those who speak against this Spirit, this Word from God, are “blaspheming” the Holy Spirit God has given.

The “good news” is any person may come to God and be taught truth by God by receiving this Holy Spirit from God that is inspired by God as promised. “Spirit” is the substance and matter that has been inspired in the mind. There are many spirits inspired in the mind. The Holy Spirit is from God. The evil spirit is from mankind who has learned the ways of evil.

The principle must be seen, that God desires to save all mankind and God has established a way in and by which God saves mankind. It is the will and desire of God that all mankind learn this way of salvation by God. All who come to God in this way and are saved by God, have received this Holy Spirit and are able to teach others this way. These are the true ministers of God that God has raised up and prepared with His Word to administer to others.

How does a person judge a word to be true or false? By the contents of the mind; by what has been built up in the mind; inspired in the mind. If the mind has been built up in non-truth, it will reject truth and judge truth to be a lie. This principle is seen in the accounts conveyed by scriptures of how the word from Jesus of Nazareth was responded to.

Here is the principle. You cannot judge a word that pertains to the matters of God to be true or false unless your mind is built up in truth pertaining to God. The “Author” of truth is God. It is God who writes or engraves this truth in the minds of mankind.

Another principle. It would be impossible for any person to know for sure the truth concerning God and the matters of God if God had not revealed this truth to mankind.

Another principle. The scriptures are not the Word of God. They are the words of man who wrote about God. Some of those were inspired by God but their word cannot inspire truth as God does. The way God established is for mankind to come to God to be taught truth, honoring God as teacher of truth; as Creator of the mind and spirit in mankind.

But mankind fell away from this way long ago and has substituted religions and scriptures for the Living God, refusing to believe they may come to God and receive the Holy Spirit from God that God inspires in mankind as promised by God.

For those who truly want to learn this way and follow this way, I say these things to forewarn you of the obstacles you will encounter and the opposition you will face. A principle is seen in the scripture attributed to Jesus of Nazareth; “If they have done this to me they will do this to you.”

He spoke of the unbelievers who stood against him and his word.

The minds of mankind have fallen back into the state of being they were in when Jesus of Nazareth began teaching this way of salvation by God. The vast majority of mankind have been taught and have believed it is not possible to be taught truth by God; to be inspired with the Holy Spirit and Word coming directly from God.

This post is a preface to the teaching of the way, to prepare the minds of those seeking to follow this way.

In the love of God,

DW Suiter

There are many different teachings concerning the way of salvation by God. There are many different teachings concerning the “scriptures” found in the “bible.” However, there is but one truth that explains and describes the way of salvation by God. For God has established only one way in and by which man may be saved; His way.

It is “His way” I have followed. Having proved this way, I teach others this way; those who truly want to know for sure, what is the way of salvation by God.

In order to understand why God desires to save mankind it must be known and understood “what” a person is saved from. God desires to save mankind from the seed and death of Adam. “Adam” refers to mankind. The death of Adam came by a seed planted in the minds of those of Adam by the enemy of God.

Although those of Adam were warned by God to not allow a stranger to plant seed in their minds, they disobeyed God and allowed this to happen. They were in the process of being created by God in the image of God; in mind and spirit. They had not yet been perfected by God and because of this, gave in to the temptation to believe another other than God.

As they began believing the word and teachings of the enemy of God the Holy Spirit from God in them began to die away until it was gone. It is this Holy Spirit from God that is also the “Living” Spirit that gives mankind the life God desires mankind to posses and live. In this Spirit from God comes all the teachings from God of the principles of God that structure this life.

“Adam” died a spiritual death. No longer possessing the life God gives in His Spirit. As is the tradition of mankind, those of Adam recreated their minds in their young and in so doing perpetuated the spiritual death. This process continued until a man known as Jesus of Nazareth returned to where Adam fell away from; oneness with God as the Creation of God. He was called the “second Adam” or the second time God created man in the image of God. He was the firstborn from the spiritually dead mankind by this Holy Spirit from God since the death of Adam.

Those he taught this way he had followed and also followed this way were also born of God; by this Spirit; also returning to this same oneness with God possessing the life God gives in and by this Spirit.

However, these passed on and those following eventually lost knowledge of this way, falling away from God as Adam fell away from God. Mankind was once again separated from God being dead spiritually; not possessing the Holy Spirit from God.

Understanding what caused the spiritual death of mankind gives understanding of what mankind must be saved from by God. If, a person desires this salvation.

Simply put, salvation by God is the reversal of the death of Adam. To restore mankind to where Adam was before the spiritual death of Adam.

In order to save mankind, the spirit in man must be removed and replaced with the Spirit from God. The Word of and from God is this Spirit. It is the Word of God, God inspires in the minds of mankind.

Jesus of Nazareth received this Word and Spirit from God. By this he was raised up from spiritual death to spiritual life that God gives. Those who heard his word and teachings and did follow the way he taught also received this Word and Spirit from God and also were raised up from spiritual death to spiritual life from God.

What is this life given by God?

It is a way of living life in agreement and obedience to the principles of God that structure this life. These principles are “ways” of doing things as one “lives.” Although mankind lives life, he does not live this life God gives. Mankind lives life according to the ways he has used to structure his life; the principles he has chosen to follow.

This life God gives has been described as a life of peace, love and joy. This is the result of knowing and obeying the principles God teaches man to follow. This is how man receives his life from God.

This life of peace, love and joy, is a life lived by all who have received this life from God, in a social order. It is quite different than the life man now lives because of the different principles that are followed.

In this life given by God, every person has true love and good will toward all others. Every person speaks truth. Every person gives for the needs of others. This is the life God desires all mankind to know and live for this is how God lives.

Salvation by God is salvation by the works of God. The works of God are the giving of this Word; this Holy Spirit; that teaches mankind this way of life; teaches mankind the principles that must be known, understood and followed in order to possess this life.

This is how God saves mankind. By giving mankind this life Adam died to. In this way man is resurrected from death to life.

God has promised to save mankind from this spiritual death. God has promised to give each and every person who comes to receive, this Holy Spirit; this Word from God. The Holy Spirit of and from God is His Word. It is this Word God inspires in the mind of man, becoming the Spirit in man.

To be continued.

In the love of God,

DW Suiter

DW;
How many times have we heard the innocence of a child be entirely frank about what he feels, sees, hears, tastes, or smells? This is the honesty and truth that we begin with in our lives. This is the true knowledge of God and what he would have us do. And then, how often have we seen the parent of that child shame him or hush him for his honesty? This is the beginning of the corruption of that True Spirit that is born into us. When my biological father horribly abused my family, I cried. I cried not because of pain, not even from anger or fear. I cried because I simply could not believe he would do such a thing and I knew it was wrong. And at 5 years old, who has given me that knowledge? It came from God. And the Holy Spirit entered my heart and mind to know these things. And as I grew, other children shunned me because they didn't like the way I spoke the truth. I became lonely but had no desire to play their games so I isolated myself in the forest and with Mother Earth. So I was "trained" by my foster parents, my teachers, even church clergy, that if I were to live in harmony on this Earth, I would have to stop being so rigorously honest. It was hard for me but I tried, and it eventually led me to alcohol and drugs because what I was taught by mankind was in direct opposition to what I felt, and knew to be true, in my heart and mind. I could not live with the guilt and shame of betraying the "Emmanuel", the "God in me", so like Adam, like Caine, like David, I ran and tried to hide not only from God, not only from the world, but from myself. At one point in my life I was given a choice, to walk the path intended for me, or, to walk the path of Judas Iscariot. I chose, with my free will, to follow the "Red Road", the path of Spiritual Enlightenment. And I have found it through the many paths I have travelled. And through all of my experiences, through all of my theological learnings, through the way of many faiths, religions, teachers and children, it has been my experience that the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth has been my primary teacher and is incorporated into all of the other things I have learned while here on Earth. And it is not from reading books or listening to preachers, or even from going to church. It has been from listening and hearing the soft gentle voice that whispers to me, "Do this, not that, and follow Me." That is the Voice of God, through the channel He has provided us, in the character of Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

Only one other thing:
In your post you mention ears of corn. Corn was indigenous only to the Americas at that time 2,000 years ago, so it may be construed that whoever wrote that interpretation was from a country, such as England, that had already been to the Americas. It is an error that was done by man and as such holds some untruth in its content. Corn was not introduced to Europe, the Mideast, or the rest of the world, until after 1500 A.D., shortly after Columbus landed on this continent and learned of "Maize" and Corn from the Indigenous Natives who were here.

Thanks for the information, it was done in a much friendlier approach, and I learned from you.....Pilamaya un wasteya Mitakola!....To`na Wanagi

Hello To`na Wanagi

First, the "corn" mentioned in scriptures refers to "wheat." The kernal of wheat was called "corn."

What you have said is truth. It is the natural way for a person as a child to be taught by God. As I said in a previous post, a spiritual child is as a child of the physical, as an infant, not knowing what food is or drink, but crying out when hungry or thirsty. The child is fed and given drink by God but the child does not know the parent at that age or even what the child is. This way would continue if fellow man did not interfere and take control of the mind of the child. But again, it is the nature of a child to love and out of love for a parent, the word and teachings of the parent are "believed" to be true.

I will say something some will not understand. It is often that a person subjected to atrocities and injury, both of the physical and the mental or spiritual, will cry out in total sincerity to God. A person does this when what mankind has to offer is known to be insufficient. God responds to the sincerity and the cry of the child in need. The child is given what is needed, love and nurturing by God. The child could be a person of any physical age. At that time, the child is taken in by God, adopted as His child to raise. If the child remains with God in this way, the child is raised up by God through the ages from spiritual infancy to spiritual maturity.

You have been abused, injured and ostracised by fellow mankind. Yet you have come to God and know the love of God which you give to others. This is the reality of the work of God, to transform a person in mind and spirit into a loving caring person.

This is what the world or social order of mankind could be; a social order of loving caring people if people would come to God and be transformed. It is not necessary for them to go through the pain and sorrow as you and others have. But it is man who prevents this; those who speak against the reality of God performing the works He has promised.

You have been given gifts by God; the ability to see by the eyes of understanding the way of spirit. You have come to know these matters you post. You had a need to know and understand and God gave as promised. You are a shining example of the reality of the work of God.

Mankind is falling deeper and deeper into the bottomless pit of depravity. Wars and murdering; taking from the poor and needy for the desires of riches for self. Having no conscience or remorse when performing evil acts. Not all of course but a great number and unfortunately many leaders of the many nations. Leaders in the business world. Leaders in the religious world. Other leaders who lead people astray.

It is good to know your true family is the family of God. Your physical body is only a temporary dwelling place. Your "kin" folk are those of the kindred spirit of God. Of the same "kind."

Thank you for sharing. Perhaps this will give hope and enlightenment to others who may have similar needs as you once had. And hopefull it will give some reason to believe in the reality of God and the works of God.

I'm sure you know you are loved by God and those of the family of God.

In the love of God,

DW Suiter

DW;
Thank you for your kind words. Mankind continues to do these things because they can, and get away with it. You are right in your words, and people of like minds are persecuted because they have chosen the path of God and therefore go against the grain of the generally accepted norm of society. It makes those of the world uncomfortable. And it is ever more obvious, ever more prevalent, this way of mankind. It is self, it is greed, it is the desire to control, to overpower and dominate others because man will never be satisfied to be inferior to God. It is the pride that goeth before the fall, it is ego, that destroys the goodness of others. I am very outspoken about these things and it makes my life challenging, but I know He is with with me, and His rod and staff comfort me. This is the promise that lives within me, and today I have no fear of the world or of mankind. I know God's Will will be done in my life, and that promise is secure as well as more than sufficient....May God's peace and Wisdom continue to live within you....To`na Wanagi

Hello To`na Wanagi;

The fruit of God’s Spirit is in your word. You have absorbed what God has given you very well.

A grievous error of mankind is to be carnally minded. To think the “scriptures” pertain to the physical. Because of this, too many never look ahead at the certainty of the physical death and the ongoing life. They have no fear of what kind of ongoing life they will live because they have not heard the truth of the matter.

The many have believed a great lie, that the “death” of Jesus of Nazareth “saved” them and they will go to “heaven” and dwell with God. Others refuse to think of this reality that their physical body shall die and rot away. They do not hear even what the scriptures relate concerning ongoing life and the reality of “hell.”

“Hell” is a state of mind. Many are in this now. The many do not know nor understand this is what their ongoing life shall be. “Life” is determined by the spirit of the mind. How a person lives is determined by the “ways” or principles that person has chosen to follow that has created their “way” of life.

The many go through life blind to the obvious. Because they have never heard the truth or have heard the truth and have chosen unbelief.

You are correct. Too many are self centered, loving self and filled with desire and greed for the carnal pleasures money buys. Physical comfort and pleasure; entertainment. This is why people love money; for what they obtain with money. Others feed their greed by accumulating as much money as they can following the principles of Solomon who was damned and condemned by God as scriptures relate.

Life in the physical body is a temporary time established for the growth of the mind and spirit; the development of the mind and spirit. Ongoing life is without the physical body.
If people knew these truths, they would want to have the better ongoing life that is described as eternal. Scriptures relate James as speaking of this time in the physical compared to ongoing life as a “wisp of smoke” which rapidly disappears.

Salvation by God is to save man from the life he lives now but more importantly, to save their soul from hell in the ongoing life.

All who are with God do not live in a physical body. All the righteous ones who have passed on dwell with God and do not dwell in a physical body. All of the unrighteous ones who have passed on do not dwell in a physical body and do not dwell with God. They dwell with others of like kind of like mind and spirit. In this hell they relate with one another. The torment of the mind continues in this ongoing life. Without the physical body and physical comfort and pleasure, their life is shallow and empty of love, peace, and joy.

Scriptures relate the parable taught by Jesus of Nazareth of the rich man and Lazarus. The parable conveyed a very important principle. It revealed what happens to the person with this type and kind of mind who mistreats others; who loves money more than fellow man.

Another horrible thing has happened with the “Christian” religion. Many of this religion teach a principle of prosperity that in reality is love of money and what money buys. They do not know nor understand God desires the soul to prosper. The way for the soul to prosper is to receive the great gifts from God; the spiritual treasures God gives. This is the prosperity God desires for mankind. The teaching of the love of money and shutting up the bowels of compassion for those in need is of the enemy of God.

Few people realize God has established the social order of God and in this order all must know and obey the principles that structure life for those in this order. Those who do not know these principles cannot enter into this social order. This is how the social order is protected from those who would pervert and corrupt the way of life as they have here in the physical. The rich man who mistreated Lazarus was separated from those of God. So also all who do not come to God to become one with God in mind and spirit; to know and willingly obey the greater and higher principles of God that structures the life God “gives” in His Word; His teachings.

This is what Jesus of Nazareth explained to the people. Only a few would hear and fewer believed. The teachings of Jesus of Nazareth are perverted and changed from truth to a lie by many religionists. They have made the Word from God to be of no effect on mankind because the truth is not in what is taught.

Jesus of Nazareth did not save any person. Those who followed the way he taught were saved by God, the Father. The great lies taught by many religionists are and have caused many to perish; to not become the creation of God. These continue on in ongoing life separated from God as they are separated from God now while here in the physical.

Jesus of Nazareth taught the principle of a person being born again declaring a person “must” be born again in this way of God. Paul spoke of this reality in speaking of the “new creation” and the new mind and spirit wherein all things are new and from God.
Paul had followed this way taught by Jesus of Nazareth. Few people meditate on this important matter that if Paul was saved in this way, all people must be saved in this same way for there is but one way established by God in and by which God saves mankind.

Paul followed the way taught by Jesus of Nazareth. The way Jesus of Nazareth had followed. The way established by God. This matter, all who seek God, should meditate on. This way of transformation by God; this way of becoming the creation of God that is new compared to what man creates man to be in mind and spirit. This reality of the new mind and spirit created by God in mankind; the mind and spirit of Christ; the taught one of God. This is the reality of being born again, born of the Seed from God; born as the Son of God, because of this Seed from God; becoming a new spirit being now possessing the body of the Son of God that God has created in the mind. A body of spirit, replacing the spirit man has inspired in the mind. As Paul declared; “All things are new and all things are from God.” From God; not from fellow man or the religions of man; nor from reading and studying scriptures. From God. This, is salvation by God. This is the way taught by Jesus of Nazareth. The way of Spirit. The way of receiving the Holy Spirit from God that is the new Spirit that is the new creation by God.

These are the works of promise of God. This is the promise Jesus of Nazareth spoke of receiving and told others they would receive by following this way of salvation by God.
This is the promise scriptures relate to in the “New Testament.”

The word “Son” in regards to the Son of God, means this creation of God; this child of God for if God is Father of this person, this person must be this Son. This Son includes the ones of both genders who receive this Spirit for in this Spirit there is neither male nor female; there is no gender.

Few understand, Jesus of Nazareth received this Holy Spirit from God. Before receiving this, he was as all others of mankind. It was the “Word” of God that was with God, not this person. This Word came into this person. In this Word from God was this Spirit that is the body of the Son of God; a spiritual being; a spiritual creation by God. This is the “body” Jesus of Nazareth told his disciples they must “eat” for this body comes in the Word from God that is the “bread from heaven” and the “meat” God provides as food for thought; to be digested and made part of self. This is what Jesus of Nazareth referred to in saying; “I have meat to eat you know nothing of.” He referred to the “meat of the matters of God” that God was feeding him. The deeper principles a child cannot digest or understand. Many of you reading this cannot digest this or understand this word. If you do come to God and continue with God, in time you will reach the age where you do understand this as God feeds you His Word.

These matters I speak of are real; exist in reality. The reality of life and the life God gives. Reality includes being born as a physical being and becoming a person in mind and spirit. Reality includes the death of the physical body and ongoing life in the soul; in the mind and spirit one possesses when leaving the physical body.

Every day, many people begin the day as usual, thinking ahead of what they will be doing that day and that evening, making their plans. But every day many die a physical death from ill health or by accidents. There was no thought in their mind that this day would be their last day in the physical body. The terrible thing is few if any were prepared for ongoing life after passing on from the physical.

This is the danger of deferring the reality of the need to be transformed by God. The danger of thinking that in days or times to come, you will address this matter.

The danger is to not place any importance on this matter. To be caught up in the affairs of life as you have been taught. The life fellow man as taught you to live.

I did not intend to make this a long post but once I start speaking on the matters of God the words just flow through me. I see all the problems mankind faces and I see all the answers God provides. And I am sad. I am sixty six years old in the physical and am aware of how time passes quickly. It seems it was yesterday I was forty. And not long ago I was twenty one. At twenty one I had no knowledge of these matters whatsoever. At forty two I began my search for the truth. God has designed the physical life to provide plenty of time for a person to come and learn. If, an illness caused by man, and an accident caused by man does not take the physical life of the physical body.

I missed having this life from God during a large part of my physical life. I am thankful to God for receiving this life I now possess. I did not have it sooner because I did not seek the truth pertaining to what life is. I was caught up in the life my fellow man taught me to live. Making money and getting ahead. Thinking my physical life was “the” life. As with the many, all I “knew” about God was what the religions were teaching. I tried to be good and do good thinking this was all I had to do to “go to heaven and be with God.”
I was deceived as many of you are now.

Thank you To`na Wanagi for your word. Thank you for revealing who and what you are. Thank you for revealing the “inner man” God has created; “man” being “mankind.”

I am sure you shall remain with God and never fall away. For you have reached the point where this is impossible as I have.

May your joy increase as you love and you are loved.

In the love of God,

DW Suiter

DW;
Well done! And don't be sad, you have benefitted from the experiences of your life before coming to God. These are the experiences that refined you, and me, and others like us, by the hottest furnace from which comes the finest gold. It gives me much joy that we have suffered and survived to come to the reality of our faith in and from God. It is that little bit of Hell we went through that makes us stronger, more faithful, more enlightened to our walk. There is a bit of humor in a recovery program statement which goes like this; "Religion is for people who are afraid they will go to Hell. Spirituality is for people who have already been through Hell, and have no desire to go back." And there will always be those who struggle until the end to prove their self will is all they need. Even the rich man, who was asking God to send Lazarus to dip his finger into water to quench his thirst, by this request had not given up the idea that he was more important than the servant. And his request to send someone to warn his brothers of their coming doom, another example of remorse too late. We have today, and maybe just this hour to live as we should in the knowledge and love of God, to speak our truth as He has instructed, to walk this "Red Road" with courage, and to be not afraid, nor ashamed. So please smile today, and know that God loves you and so do I. And DW, at 57 years, 60 is not old! Remember, every morning we awake is a gift from God, and that's why it is called the "Present." Psalm 27:13-14 has refreshed my soul many times when I have grown weary of the world....Wakan Tanka nici un yawaste'....To`na Wanagi

Hi Don
Your last postings were quite lengthy and if I was to respond line for line I would be typing for a very long time. I would like to respond to just a few lines though. I find your teachings directly contradict what the prophets and inspired men of God have taught for many centuries about the Lord God and saviour Jesus Christ though many of your teachings are quite old as well and are found in Gnostic writings and Islam and others.

You wrote…
“I understand you have strong beliefs. However, this is all you are offering.”

(Answer) I base my message on the inspired word of God. Jesus of Nazareth and all the disciples did this as well by quoting scripture as recorded in the New Testament. This is not just my beliefs but the beliefs of the prophets.

(Don)…”If possible I would like for you to respond with principles to substantiate your statements.”

(Answer) I have quoted scripture (and the principles within) to you several times. This is His word, not mine and is best to stand on when dealing with, and exposing false teaching.

(Don) “It is written, the beginning of wisdom is to realize and know “God is.” These words speak of a principle. A principle that must be meditated on until a person does realize and know God “is.”

(Answer) Actually What is written is “the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom” Psalm 111:10 and also found in proverbs 9:10. Understanding this leads to a correct understanding of God and our relationship with Him.

(Don) “About two thousand years ago a man known as Jesus of Nazareth starting teaching his fellow man about the reality of God and how to “know” God.”

(Answer) He was God before the beginning of this world. He was God before His conception and during His life incarnate He is alive now and is God and is with God. To call Him just a man is not justifiable and false.

(Don)”This a person must meditate on. Only God saves, not mankind or the religions of mankind. God has established His way of saving mankind.”

(Answer) I agree with this statement.

(Don)” This way was taught by Jesus of Nazareth who himself had followed this way. He received the Holy Spirit from God and in this was raised from spiritual death to spiritual life. All who are saved by God are saved in this same way.”

(Answer) God does not teach anyone to be God. He teaches us how He expects us to be as His children. This includes how we are to keep Him first and how to be to others. All of mankind are offered the gift of salvation of and by God through His Son The Christ.

(Don) “He became the Son of God and those who followed the way he taught also became this same Son of God for there is but one Son of God as a type and kind of person. Mankind was predestined by God to be this Son of God.”

(Answer) No, He did not become the Son He always was and is The Son. Following God does not make you God. Following someone’s teachings does not make you them. We each are unique and precious to our Heavenly Father. However we are not equal to Christ.

Here is something to consider…
The life of Joseph takes up ¼ of Genesis. He was a son of Israel and he had several brothers. Joseph was loved by his father and shown to be preferred in his father’s sight. His brothers treated him very wrong because of this. Joseph eventually became very powerful and had a seat of authority that none of his brothers ever obtained. He saved them and many others from death by the God given fore knowledge that none of the other brothers had, and the wise use of his authority. He never offered to share his power nor did he. The brothers had sure knowledge of who he was. They had sure knowledge of how to raise livestock, and grow food for themselves. This sure knowledge could not save them. It took Joseph and his authority that was “given to him alone” to save his brothers and all who came to him.

This is symbolic of Christ and His brothers/sisters/ people. Our sure knowledge of God does not save us. It is by His authority and unique position, and the gift that He offers that we may accept or reject that cleanses and saves.

Don, I will continue to respectfully question your teachings here if not for your benefit, for the benefit of others that read both our positions so none may be mislead. If you don’t like this don’t post here. Start your own site where you can control the subject matter.

Thanks and Blessings
Bill

Hello Bill;

Bill wrote;



Your findings that my teachings contradict the prophets and inspired men and what they taught is based on your interpretation of scriptures or the interpretation of others you have adopted and your opinion. Your source of information is fellow man and not God. I have neither serched gnostic writings or Isamic writings so I cannot comment on this.

Again if every religionist were to respond with their opinions and beliefs there would be a tremendous amount of posts with conflicting beliefs and opinions. There would be no benefit in this for religionists have argued beliefs forever, as you do, and refused to come to God to come into the knowledge of truth.

As I have said Bill, you are entitled to your beliefs and opinions as every person is. But what you are doing is judging and attempting to show yourself to be righteous and correct and me and probabaly others to be wrong. This is what all religionists do. However, what religionists use in attempts to prove they are righteous and correct are merely belief and opinion. This is what the religionists did who hated and despised Jesus of Nazareth for speaking this same word of truth. This is not what I do. I post what I have been taught by God. And I have also posted the way to prove my word to be truth or non-truth. Your word proves nothing Bill except this personal vendetta you have. So I respectfully decline your invitation to argue and invite you to come to God to gain sure knowledge of truth as I have. By following the way taught by Jesus of Nazareth. Thank you for your interest and response Bill.

In the love of God,

DW Suiter

Hi Don

I understand. You are entitled to worship and believe in your way. I will continue on as well. Please know it is not for arguments sake that I will continue to question your teachings. I welcome the oppertunity to clarify the teachings of truth that I give. Hopefully those who read us will be clear on each of our understandings in such matters. I hope you are feeling well today, I know you are dealing with some health issues. I pray daily for you.
Blessings
Bill

Hello Bill;

Thank you for your kindness.

You may of course post whatever you desire. However, "mere belief" is not the same as "sure knowledge." Sure knowledge come directly from God, which is why it is "sure."

I post what I have been taught by God and teach others to come to God to be taught truth so they also may possess sure knowledge and not be caught up in the many "belief" systems of religion. The way taught by Jesus of Nazareth is this way to "know the truth" not believe what others of man have said or written.

But of course this way requires a person to love God, trust God, and place all faith in God and the promise of God. This is what I have encouraged you to do Bill. I'm sure you are aware of what scriptures reveal concerning Saul of Tarsus. His love for God and his zeal for his religion. However, he was wrong. He was deceived in his beliefs. Only when he "saw the light" and realized the truth did he realize he was persecuting the Son of God and was fighting aginst the will of God.

The principle is clear; mere belief is not the same as sure knowledge of truth from God as Paul later declared he had received. A person may think his beliefs are correct as Saul did but only when receiving from God does a person "know the truth." So you may stand against this way if you desire but understand you are standing on your beliefs as Saul did.

Millions of people have been murdered by religionists and their firm beliefs that what they believe is truth. Firm belief is not the same as sure knowledge.

God is the Author of truth. God fulfills His promise of engraving His Word in the inner parts of those who come to receive this Word from God. This, I know. So to set the record straight, I do not present "beliefs" but what I know for sure as taught by God.

Take care.

In the love of God,

DW Suiter

Meditation.

Communicating with God is a reality. It is not a one way communication. God gives as well as receiving. To “pray” is to “ask.” If a person asks God for what God has promised to give, it is given by God. If, and again, if, a person has come to God in the way established by God.

To ask God for something other than what God has promised to give is vanity; a vain act. In order to receive from God a person should know what God has promised to give.

God gives His Word. God’s Word is Spirit. The Holy Spirit. God gives what mankind needs for salvation. The Holy Spirit. In this Holy Spirit God inspires in the mind of mankind is the truth as God declares truth to be.

In this way God has established God alone is the Teacher of this truth. God alone inspires the Holy Spirit in mankind. God alone creates the Spirit of truth in the minds of mankind.

The scriptures of the “New Testament” contain only a small fraction of all the words and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. These scriptures were never to be used as a replacement for God and were never to be used as the source of knowledge of truth. The reason for the testaments is to cause mankind to see and understand the reality of God and the promise of God and how this promise is fulfilled by God.

Unfortunately, many of mankind have idolized the creation of God and worshipped the creation instead of the Creator. Not knowing nor understanding mankind was created in the image of God long ago but fell away from this mind and spirit no longer being the image of God. Not until the second time God created man in the image of God, the man known as Jesus of Nazareth.

A man became the person known as Jesus of Nazareth; Jesus, the Christ. This man received the Word from God that was with God; the Holy Spirit from God. It was this Holy Spirit that brought the Son of God to be in this man. For the Spirit from God brings the Spirit body of this Son into all who receive this Holy Spirit from God. By this way, God transforms a person from what he is into the Son of God. By transforming the mind and spirit into the mind and spirit created by God. The man known as Jesus of Nazareth was the first since Adam to receive this Holy Spirit; the first since Adam to become the creation of God, created in the image of God.

Religionists, not having been taught truth by God, have created many false teachings and stories concerning this matter because they have leaned on their own understanding and self interpretation of scriptures. They conveniently ignore the testaments of Jesus of Nazareth receiving the Holy Spirit from God. They conveniently ignore the testaments that all Jesus of Nazareth knew about God he was taught by God. They conveniently ignore the testament that Jesus of Nazareth received the Word from God.

Jesus of Nazareth became the Son of God by the works of God as promised. Those who followed the way he taught also became this same Son of God as promised by God. For they received the same Word and the same Holy Spirit from God that Jesus of Nazareth had received. Any person who becomes this creation by the works of God is this same Son of God.

All mankind were predestined by God to be this Son of God. Mankind separated from God no longer being this creation of God, this Son of God. They became the son of perdition, being born of seed not of nor from God.

It is the will of God to transform these back into the Son of God; the creation of God; created in the image of God.

God gives His Word and Holy Spirit to mankind. In and by this way the Word becomes flesh; indwells the physical body of mankind. The Spirit from God becomes the Spirit of this person, and fills the mind thereby becoming the mind and spirit of Christ. This one when mature is Christ.

This is what Paul referred to as the “secret of Christ in you.” It is a secret because mankind has no knowledge or understanding of this matter. Knowing this reality Paul declared; “Let this mind be in you that is in Christ.” H also stated; “We have the mind of Christ.” As elsewhere it is declared; “Now we are the Sons of God.” For they also had been transformed by the works of God into His creation; His Son.

Because mankind fell away from God again, after the time of Jesus of Nazareth and the other Sons of God, they returned to the way of religion having lost knowledge of the way of God. It is now as it was when Jesus of Nazareth began speaking of the reality of salvation by God. The way taught by Jesus of Nazareth is no longer taught by the religionists.

Jesus of Nazareth, the man, was born of man in a physical body as all others of mankind. His mind and spirit was created by mankind until he came to God. When he came to God, he was transformed by the Word and Holy Spirit he received from God. He is the example of how God saves mankind from spiritual death. He returned to where Adam fell away from as “man” kind.

Religions have created a false image and idolized the false image of Jesus of Nazareth, worshipping this false image instead of God who created this man in the image of God. Religionists have created doctrines and teachings that cause people to believe God is inaccessible and Jesus of Nazareth is something no other person may be. Ignored are the testaments of those who declared; “Now we are the Sons of God” and declared they were co-heir with Jesus of Nazareth in all he received from God. Ignored are the scriptures that explain being born of the Seed from God. Ignored are all scriptures that do not agree with the many false religious teachings of mankind.

The Son of God is what God desires all mankind to be. God is able to transform any person into His Son.

In the love of God,

DW Suiter

Meditation.

Asking and receiving from God.

When asking and receiving from God it is important to understand the mind of God. The mind of God is in perfect order. The mind of God “operates” on logic and reason. Receiving from God is to receive the substance and matter from the mind of God conveyed into the mind of the one receiving in order to recreate this mind. This is how the mind and spirit in man is created. This is how a person becomes one with God. In this way, there is no conflict between the mind of man and the mind of God. There is peace, love, and joy in this oneness with God. One mind, one spirit, one truth.

It is the mind of man one must offer and present to God for the work of God. This is the reality of offering one’s “son” to be killed off. For a person is this son. God gives a person another son, His Son. The “son” is the person one is as a type and kind. “Person” means “per-the-son.” Without the shedding of this “blood” there is no remission of sin. God reshapes and reforms the mind into the creation of God, consisting of the Word from God that conveys the substance from the mind of God. Paul named these greater “gifts” from God as knowledge, understanding, and wisdom.

This is what a person should seek when “praying” to God. Seeking to know and understand the higher ways of God. The principles of God that structure the life God lives.

Communication with God requires a person to empty their mind of all things man has taught concerning God and to come to God seeking to know and understand the ways of God; what God wants man to know and understand.

The “world” of man must be shut out of the mind when communicating with God. A person cannot be in the world of man with his thought and at the same time be in the world of God with his thought. The mind must be centered on the matters of God. A person must come to God as the Son of God, asking for what God has promised. This is the name God gave Jesus of Nazareth and this is the name he declared a person must ask in; “Son.” For the promise of God is reserved for the Sons of God and is not given to strangers to God.

A person must ask to be taken in by God, “adopted” by God, to be transformed into this Son of God.

“Meditation” is the act of thinking “deeply” on a matter or matters. To be in “deep thought.” As a person receives from God this Spirit matter is what a person dwells in and on. This is the reality of being “in the Spirit.” The mind is focused on the Word from God and the substance and matter this Word has brought. God “reveals” matters to the mind. God “sheds light” on matters that are not understood. When a person is in this Spirit from God, this Spirit leads a person into all truth. For God adds continually by giving continually. In this way the mind is built up; the “temple” of the Holy Spirit being the mind that houses this Spirit from God. This is the House of God. This is the House God has built. Man cannot build a house that can contain God. Man cannot create this mind because man is not God and does not possess the Spirit God possesses and sends in His Word. Those who are truly “of” God know the way established by God is that God shall be teacher and creator of the mind. These teach all people to come to God to receive as they have. To come and receive from God this Spirit; the Holy Spirit from God that God inspires in the mind.

When a person decides to enter into this way it is these foundational teachings a person must meditate on, asking God for understanding. The foundational teachings only bring a person to God. On this foundation, God builds. It is the knowledge and understanding of the teachings of this way that allows a person to follow this way. This “way” is the way of asking and receiving from God what God has promised to give.

This “way” was taught by Jesus of Nazareth. Those who believed and did enter into this way, did ask and receive from God, what God promised to give. The “New Testaments” present this reality; this truth. The promise of God was not to these men alone, but to all mankind at all times for this is salvation by God. When a person understands these men followed the way taught by Jesus of Nazareth, the way is seen more clearly. For the way these followed is the one and only way established by God for all mankind.

The testaments of these men only highlighted the important principles of this way. Their testaments testified of the reality of God; of asking and receiving from God the promise of God.

Each and every person of mankind may come to God in this way, ask and receive the promise of God from God. This is what man has not done and is not doing. The reason why it was written; “You have not because you ask not.” Mankind does not possess this mind and spirit from God because mankind lost knowledge of this way of asking and receiving from God. Because this word is in conflict with traditional religious beliefs of mankind, it is usually met with unbelief. Because mankind has been taught to believe in religious doctrines and teachings. Just as mankind did when Jesus of Nazareth began teaching this way.

The “return of Christ” and the “return of the Son of God” is in this way. This way of receiving this mind and spirit from God. For in this way a person receives the mind and spirit of Christ and receives the Son of God into which he is transformed in body of Spirit.

For those who are able to understand, this word is the word that separates the sheep from the goats. For some will hear and receive the truth and others will stand against the truth. Those who believe and follow this way shall know the truth and shall be saved by God.

“Truth” is any word accurately defining and portraying existing reality. My word portrays the existing reality of God and the way God has established for the salvation of mankind. As with any word, in order to know for sure it is truth, it must be proved. Only when following this way is any person able to know the truth for in this way, the truth is given by God that proves all words and teachings of mankind concerning the matters of God.

In the love of God,

DW Suiter

Meditation.

It does not really matter how a person gets their mind prepared fro communication with God. Whether it be a quiet place, a walk in a garden, or simply turning the mind to God no matter where a person is. In time and when having exercised the mind in this way, the mind may be taken into the Spirit of God at any time regardless of the environment.

God exists in reality and the Spirit of and from God comes at all times. It is always the person who may or may not receive this Spirit which is the “Word” from God. Unbelief in this way shuts the mind to God and this person cannot receive from God.

If a person’s thoughts wander from God into what has already been inspired in the mind by fellow man, the communication with God shall cease. Only when the mind is in full love, trust and faith in God, focused and centered on God does a person receive from God.

For those who refer to scriptures, Paul wrote in the letter “Hebrews.”

7 Wherefore, (as the Holy Spirit saith, `To-day, if His voice ye may hear --
8 ye may not harden your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of the temptation in the wilderness,
9 in which tempt Me did your fathers, they did prove Me, and saw My works forty years;
10 wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, Always do they go astray in heart, and these have not known My ways; 11 so I sware in My anger, If they shall enter into My rest -- !`)
12 See, brethren, lest there shall be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in the falling away from the living God, 13 but exhort ye one another every day, while the To-day is called, that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of the sin,
14 for partakers we have become of the Christ, if the beginning of the confidence unto the end we may hold fast,
15 in its being said, `To-day, if His voice ye may hear, ye may not harden your hearts, as in the provocation,`
16 for certain having heard did provoke, but not all who did come out of Egypt through Moses;
17 but with whom was He grieved forty years? was it not with those who did sin, whose carcasses fell in the wilderness?
18 and to whom did He swear that they shall not enter into His rest, except to those who did not believe? --
19 and we see that they were not able to enter in because of unbelief.

We may fear, then, lest a promise being left of entering into His rest, any one of you may seem to have come short,


2 for we also are having good news proclaimed, even as they, but the word heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard,

3 for we do enter into the rest -- we who did believe, as He said, `So I sware in My anger, If they shall enter into My rest -- ;` and yet the works were done from the foundation of the world,


4 for He spake in a certain place concerning the seventh day thus: `And God did rest in the seventh day from all His works;`


5 and in this place again, `If they shall enter into My rest -- ;`


6 since then, it remaineth for certain to enter into it, and those who did first hear good news entered not in because of unbelief --

7 again He doth limit a certain day, `To-day,` (in David saying, after so long a time,) as it hath been said, `To-day, if His voice ye may hear, ye may not harden your hearts,`


8 for if Joshua had given them rest, He would not concerning another day have spoken after these things;


9 there doth remain, then, a sabbatic rest to the people of God,

10 for he who did enter into his rest, he also rested from his works, as God from His own.


11 May we be diligent, then, to enter into that rest, that no one in the same example of the unbelief may fall,

12 for the reckoning of God is living, and working, and sharp above every two-edged sword, and piercing unto the dividing asunder both of soul and spirit, of joints also and marrow, and a discerner of thoughts and intents of the heart;


13 and there is not a created thing not manifest before Him, but all things are naked and open to His eyes -- with whom is our reckoning.

The warning is clear to the unbelievers. Those who refuse to hear God; those who refuse to enter into the rest God has provided which is to rest from trying to create their own minds by their own works.

14 Become not yoked with others -- unbelievers, for what partaking is there to righteousness and lawlessness?


15 and what fellowship to light with darkness? and what concord to Christ with Belial? or what part to a believer with an unbeliever?


16 and what agreement to the sanctuary of God with idols? for ye are a sanctuary of the living God, according as God said -- `I will dwell in them, and will walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be My people,

17 wherefore, come ye forth out of the midst of them, and be separated, saith the Lord, and an unclean thing do not touch, and I -- I will receive you,


18 and I will be to you for a Father, and ye -- ye shall be to Me for sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.`

So it is belief in this way of God that is required; belief that a person may ask and receive from God what God has promised. The unbelievers Paul referred to are those who refused to believe in this way of receiving from God what God has promised.

The word from Paul is clearly understood; “Come ye forth out of the midst of them, and be separated, saith the Lord, and an unclean thing do not touch, and I -- I will receive you,”

And to whom is the promise of God promised to?

37 And having heard, they were pricked to the heart; they say also to Peter, and to the rest of the apostles, `What shall we do, men, brethren?`
38 and Peter said unto them, `Reform, and be baptized each of you on the name of Jesus Christ, to remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit,
39 for to you is the promise, and to your children, and to all those afar off, as many as the Lord our God shall call.`
So when you meditate, keep these matters in mind as you enter into meditation. God has promised and God is Faithful and Truth to fulfill His promise with mankind. In this then, place your faith and truth; in God who is Faithful and True.

In the love of God,
DW Suiter

Meditation;

Understanding the Creation of God and salvation by God.

When God created “man” in the image of God, He created “mankind” in the image of God; a kind of person God named “man.” This “kind” of person was created by God in the image of God; in mind and spirit. God is “Spirit” and the “image of God” is the image of this Spirit.

This “mankind” was the creation of the Son of God; all of them. Yet these scriptures refer to in “Genesis” were not mature or perfected yet by God when they fell away from God losing or dying to this Spirit from God; losing the mind and spirit God created in them. This, is called the seed and the resulting death of Adam for receiving this seed not of or from God.

The Word of God is the Seed from God that God plants. This Word is the Spirit God inspires in the mind of “mankind.” To clarify, this Word, Seed, and Spirit from God that God places in the mind of mankind is one and the same.

By this work of God the mind and spirit in the mind is created by God. This is “the” person one is when being the creation of God. God conveys from His mind into this mind He creates. This is a particular type and kind of “person” who is the creation f God and is named by God as His creation; His Son; having been born of the Seed from God and raised up in the Word from God.

This “person” existed in Adam; both the males and the females. For as is written; “God created them, both male and female He created them and called “their” name “Adam.” These are the “Sons of God” scriptures refer to who took for wives the daughters of man; who were not the creations of God. The word “daughter” refers to a spiritual dwelling place; all a person knows and understands, for this is the “heart” on which a person dwell sin and on. Not going into the matter at this moment but to mention the reality, God joins His Son with “Jerusalem” the “daughter of Zion.” This is the reality of God joining the mind of a person with the “dwelling place” or daughter that is the sum of all God conveys into the mind of this Son.

Those not joined together with this “Jerusalem” which is “City of peace” or “dwelling place of peace” are joined together with other wives not being this dwelling place of God. Solomon took for himself many wives and in the temple where the Holy Spirit was to be; Jerusalem was to be; he set up “Babylon;” daughter of “Pharaoh.” As scriptures relate, Solomon was damned and condemned by God for this.

All the matters of God a person dwells in and on are referred to as “Jerusalem” in scriptures, that comes to this Son of God as a “bride” to be joined together in true Holy matrimony. And as is written; “What God has joined together, let no man put asunder.”

Man did. Man fell away from God, joining the others who were not this creation of God. Man received the seed from fellow man, which is forbidden by God, and by this seed, conceived the “son” they became; the person they became as a type and kind.

Jesus of Nazareth, also called the “second Adam” was this creation of God; this Son of God that God creates. Not only him, but all who also received from God this same Word; Seed; and Spirit. These were also “Adam.” “Mankind” who is the creation of God.

However, as the first Adam fell away from God there was another falling away after the time of Jesus of Nazareth and the other Sons of God. “Mankind” reverted back to the old ways, forsaking the way established by God.

However, the plan of God has not changed nor the will of God nor the ability of God to bring to be what God has declared shall be.

The reason “mankind” as a whole is not this creation of God; this Son of God; is because of the teachings of man that have replaced the teachings of this way established by God. These teachings create unbelief in the true way established by God. The way God creates His creation.

The plan of God is for all mankind to be this creation of God; this Son of God. The word “Son” refers to all who are born of the Seed from God. This “Son” is a type and kind of person who possesses the mind and spirit God has created.

Approximately two thousand years ago, God raised up His Sons from the spiritual death all were in. These testified to the reality of God and the reality of God creating His creation. These knew the nature of fallen man and spoke of the great falling away that would occur. But they also spoke of the “rising again” of this Son in mankind in a time to come; a certain “day.” The “day’ is the “third day” as God declares a day to be. A day with God is as a thousand years. Two thousand years have passed and it is now the third day that is beginning.

The prophet wrote; “It is the will of God that none perish but all come into the knowledge of truth.” As is also written; “My people perish from lack of knowledge.” This “perishing” is to be spiritually dead, not possessing this Holy and Living Spirit from God.

This creation of God is what Paul called the “new creation” for it is a new man created by God that is the new person one becomes. The “old man” or person one was is killed off spiritually and the new person from God is the Son of God; the new Spirit body a person receives from God. As he declared of this, “all things are new and all things are from God.”

This man “Paul” was once another type and kind of man called “Saul.” Saul was a religionist and though he loved what he “knew” of God, he unknowingly fought against God and the way God has established. Only when he “saw the light” and was taught the way Jesus of Nazareth taught, did he come to God in this way to become this “new creation” of God; this new man of God.

This way Paul followed is the same way the other Sons of God followed including Jesus of Nazareth. All were the Son of God; all were born of the Seed from God; all possessed the Holy Spirit from God. These were the “Son” in that day and this same “Son” shall rise again in the third day. This is the truth concerning the “rising again.” There is no “rapture” as many teach. There is this rising again of the Sons of God for this is salvation by God.

These become “dead” to the man fellow man creates and enter into he way of becoming Christ; the way of Christ; the way of being taught truth by God. These give their word just as the Sons of God did in that day and by their word, others enter into this way of God.

Scriptures relate;

34 And Jesus answering said to them, `The sons of this age do marry and are given in marriage,

35 but those accounted worthy to obtain that age, and the rising again that is out of the dead, neither marry, nor are they given in marriage;

36 for neither are they able to die any more -- for they are like messengers -- and they are sons of God, being sons of the rising again.

19 if in this life we have hope in Christ only, of all men we are most to be pitied.


20 And now, Christ hath risen out of the dead -- the first-fruits of those sleeping he became,21 for since through man is the death, also through man is a rising again of the dead,

22 for even as in Adam all die, so also in the Christ all shall be made alive,

23 and each in his proper order, a first-fruit Christ, afterwards those who are the Christ`s, in his presence,

24 then -- the end, when he may deliver up the reign to God, even the Father, when he may have made useless all rule, and all authority and power --

25 for it behoveth him to reign till he may have put all the enemies under his feet --

26 the last enemy is done away -- death;

27 for all things He did put under his feet, and, when one may say that all things have been subjected, it is evident that He is excepted who did subject the all things to him,

28 and when the all things may be subjected to him, then the Son also himself shall be subject to Him, who did subject to him the all things, that God may be the all in all.

15 be diligent to present thyself approved to God -- a workman irreproachable, rightly dividing the word of the truth;

16 and the profane vain talkings stand aloof from, for to more impiety they will advance,

17 and their word as a gangrene will have pasture, of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus,

18 who concerning the truth did swerve, saying the rising again to have already been, and do overthrow the faith of some;

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth did pass away, and the sea is not any more;

2 and I, John, saw the holy city -- new Jerusalem -- coming down from God out of the heaven, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband;

3 and I heard a great voice out of the heaven, saying, `Lo, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will tabernacle with them, and they shall be His peoples, and God Himself shall be with them -- their God,

4 and God shall wipe away every tear from their eyes, and the death shall not be any more, nor sorrow, nor crying, nor shall there be any more pain, because the first things did go away.`

5 And He who is sitting upon the throne said, `Lo, new I make all things; and He saith to me, `Write, because these words are true and stedfast;`

6 and He said to me, `It hath been done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End; I, to him who is thirsting, will give of the fountain of the water of the life freely;

7 he who is overcoming shall inherit all things, and I will be to him -- a God, and he shall be to me -- the son,

8 and to fearful, and unstedfast, and abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the liars, their part is in the lake that is burning with fire and brimstone, which is a second death.`

9 And there came unto me one of the seven messengers, who have the seven vials that are full of the seven last plagues, and he spake with me, saying, `Come, I will shew thee the bride of the Lamb -- the wife,`

10 and he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and did shew to me the great city, the holy Jerusalem, coming down out of the heaven from God,

These matters all refer to spiritual matters; death; life; and the rising again. The rising again did not occur in the day of Jesus of Nazareth as Paul knew and declared. Although Jesus of Nazareth was raised up by God from spiritual death, the “rising again” occurs on the third day from that time.


9 And ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God doth dwell in you; and if any one hath not the Spirit of Christ -- this one is not His;

10 and if Christ is in you, the body, indeed, is dead because of sin, and the Spirit is life because of righteousness,

11 and if the Spirit of Him who did raise up Jesus out of the dead doth dwell in you, He who did raise up the Christ out of the dead shall quicken also your dying bodies, through His Spirit dwelling in you.

12 So, then, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh;

13 for if according to the flesh ye do live, ye are about to die; and if, by the Spirit, the deeds of the body ye put to death, ye shall live;

14 for as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are the sons of God;

15 for ye did not receive a spirit of bondage again for fear, but ye did receive a spirit of adoption in which we cry, `Abba -- Father.`

16 The Spirit himself doth testify with our spirit, that we are children of God;

17 and if children, also heirs, heirs, indeed, of God, and heirs together of Christ -- if, indeed, we suffer together, that we may also be glorified together.

In the love of God,

DW Suiter

Meditation

The Reality of God.

In scriptures Paul refers to those who pray to and/or worship an “unknown” God. In this day and hour, most continue this practice for all they have is belief in teachings about God and an image created by man of God. The real and Living God, they do not know. For they have neither seen God nor heard God, nor do they have a relationship with God in and by which they may know God.

God is seen and known as God reveals God to a person. God reveals the type and kind of being God is. God reveals the contents of the mind of God that is the “person” of God.

A person is usually known by the principles they know and obey or “follow.” By this the acts or actions and the word of a person may be judged to be “good” or “bad” according to what God declares to be good and bad. Additionally, the “character” and “nature” of a person reveals the type and kind one is as a person.

In the true relationship with God in which God is Father and a person the son, The Father is known by the son, not by what others of mankind say or write about God but by experiencing the “person” of God in which God reveals Himself to the son. By revealing His mind, nature and character, God reveals His true “image.”

In the same way God “knows” His Son for nothing in the mind of man is hidden from God. In this way God knows those who are “His” and those who are not “His” for a person not born of the Seed from God is not “His” child. These not born of God are “strangers” to God for their ways and principles are strange to God and do not agree with the ways of God that God teaches His Son.

For those who rely on scripture;

3 Jesus answered and said to him, `Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born from above, he is not able to see the reign of God;`

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, `How is a man able to be born, being old? is he able into the womb of his mother a second time to enter, and to be born?`

5 Jesus answered, `Verily, verily, I say to thee, If any one may not be born of water, and the Spirit, he is not able to enter into the reign of God;

6 that which hath been born of the flesh is flesh, and that which hath been born of the Spirit is spirit.

“That” which is born of God is spirit having been born of “the” Spirit of God; from God. The “reign” of God is also called the “Kingdom of God.” Terminology used by those of mankind living in the times of “Kings” and “Kingdoms.” A “King” is a “ruler.” What one rules in spirit, is his mind. The Kingdom is the contents of the mind. This is the “promised land” promised by God; the mind and spirit of Christ. This is what a person of God rules and is “King” over in this “Kingdom.”

There are Kings and Kingdoms not of God. Those who are not born of God are these who rule their minds by the mind and spirit created by others who are not “of” God. The social orders established by mankind contain these Kings and these Kingdoms.

Jesus of Nazareth was a “King” of the “Kingdom” of God. For he received the promise from God and was made by God to be this type and kind of person.

For those who rely on scriptures;

32 `This Jesus did God raise up, of which we are all witnesses;

33 at the right hand then of God having been exalted -- also the promise of the Holy Spirit having received from the Father -- he was shedding forth this, which now ye see and hear;

34 for David did not go up to the heavens, and he saith himself: The Lord saith to my lord, Sit thou at my right hand,

35 till I make thy foes thy footstool;

36 assuredly, therefore, let all the house of Israel know, that both Lord and Christ did God make him -- this Jesus whom ye did crucify.`

For those who are having a hard time understanding who and what the “Son of God” is, here is understanding.

No person may be “of God” unless they are “born of God.” They are born as scriptures relate, by the “Spirit” from God. Unless and until a person receives this Spirit from God, they are not and cannot be “of” God. All who are born of God are the Son of God. For the reality of the seed bringing forth after its own kind is the reality a person must see and understand.

Before receiving the Spirit from God, the man known as Jesus of Nazareth was not the Son of God. No person receives the Spirit from God if they already possess this Spirit. To say so would be to say a person receives their life from God when they already possess and live this life.

This man was “born again” as he taught others they also must be, if they desire the life God gives. Born again in spirit; not in the flesh which already exists. In order to be born of the Spirit of God, the spirit a person has been born of must be removed. This way of God creating His creation has never changed. In this way “Adam” was “born.” In this way “Adam” was created by God. In this way every person who is “of” God is born and created by God, including the man known as Jesus of Nazareth. Including all those who became this “Son of God.” For the Son of God comes to be by this Spirit from God which is the “seed” from God that causes the conception of this “Son.”

Everything Jesus of Nazareth “knew” about God he was taught by God. All he knew was revealed to him by God. For he received the “promise” of God which is to all mankind and is this Holy Spirit from God. This “Spirit” is inspired in the mind by God. For this Spirit is the Word from God that is inspired in the mind by God. For the promise of God is that He shall write and engrave this Word in the minds of all who come to receive from God. In this way, a person is “born” of this Spirit from God. Any person born of this Spirit has been born as the Son of God. For if God is the Father of this person, this person has to be the Son of God.

There are only two kinds and types of persons a person may be; of God or not of God. In the same sense, there are only two sons a person may be; one or the other; the Son of God or the son of mankind. For a person is born in spirit from man or the Spirit from God as a person. Every existing human being is one or the other. Every human being who has existed or will exist is or shall be one or the other.

This “promise” from God is what a person “asks for” from God. This is what a person “meditates” on when asking and receiving from God, this promise that the man Jesus of Nazareth received from God; that the other Sons of God received from God. For this is “salvation” by God. To be saved from spiritual death and to be made alive in the life God gives in this Spirit.

For those who rely on scriptures;

5 so also the Christ did not glorify himself to become chief priest, but He who spake unto him: `My Son thou art, I to-day have begotten thee;`

6 as also in another place He saith, `Thou art a priest -- to the age, according to the order of Melchisedek;`

7 who in the days of his flesh both prayers and supplications unto Him who was able to save him from death -- with strong crying and tears -- having offered up, and having been heard in respect to that which he feared,

8 through being a Son, did learn by the things which he suffered -- the obedience,

9 and having been made perfect, he did become to all those obeying him a cause of salvation age-during,

10 having been addressed by God a chief priest, according to the order of Melchisedek,

11 concerning whom we have much discourse and of hard explanation to say, since ye have become dull of hearing,

12 for even owing to be teachers, because of the time, again ye have need that one teach you what are the elements of the beginning of the oracles of God, and ye have become having need of milk, and not of strong food,

13 for every one who is partaking of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness -- for he is an infant,

14 and of perfect men is the strong food, who because of the use are having the senses exercised, unto the discernment both of good and of evil.

The “meat” of this matter is this; “who in the days of his flesh both prayers and supplications unto Him who was able to save him from death -- with strong crying and tears -- having offered up, and having been heard in respect to that which he feared, through being a Son, did learn by the things which he suffered -- the obedience, and having been made perfect, he did become to all those obeying him a cause of salvation age-during,”

Jesus of Nazareth, did ask of God “that” which would save him from spiritual death. And though he was a Son, did fear this death and was saved from this death by God by learning obedience to all he was taught by God and in this way was “made perfect” by God. The word “suffer” means to “allow.”

This man allowed God to transform him in mind and spirit, and did learn obedience to all he was taught by God. He is the “example” of the creation of God; of the Son of God; of the works of God; of the transformation by God; of being “born again” by the Spirit from God. He is “our” example of what we must do; the way we must follow; if we desire this same life he received from God.

The “meat of another matter is this; “5 so also the Christ did not glorify himself to become chief priest, but He who spake unto him: `My Son thou art, I to-day have begotten thee;”

“I to-day have begotten thee.” He was “begotten” by God.

Man’s understanding of this word is found in the dictionaries;


begotten - Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 :

Beget \Be*get"\, v. t. [imp. Begot, (Archaic) Begat; p. p.
Begot, Begotten; p. pr. & vb. n. Begetting.] [OE.
bigiten, bigeten, to get, beget, AS. begitan to get; pref.
be- + gitan. See Get, v. t. ]
1. To procreate, as a father or sire; to generate; --
commonly said of the father.
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Yet they a beauteous offspring shall beget.
--Milton.
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2. To get (with child.) [Obs.] --Shak.
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3. To produce as an effect; to cause to exist.
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Love is begot by fancy. --Granville.
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Begotten \Be*got"ten\,
p. p. of Beget.
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begotten - WordNet ® 2.1 (2005) :

begotten
adj 1: (of offspring) generated by procreation; "naturally
begotten child"


All who are “born of God” are those “begotten” by God. The man known as Jesus of Nazareth was the “firstborn” from the spiritual death and was followed by those who followed him in the way in and by which he was born of God; born again; begotten by God.

To “follow him” is to follow his footsteps he took in this spiritual journey with God. To take the same steps. To follow the same order. For the order was established by God for all mankind to follow. The man Jesus of Nazareth was the first to follow this order; this way established b God long ago.

This reality a person should “realize” or make real in their mind. This is the reality a person should conceive. How the Son of God is conceived. How a person is begotten by God. How a person is adopted by God. How a person is transformed into the Son of God. How a person is saved from spiritual death and is given spiritual life by God. For this is the meat of the matter of salvation by God. These elements. This way or order established by God. The order mankind fell out and away from.

When a person asks of God (prays) it is this promise a person must ask God for in order to ask in righteousness. For God has declared this is the right way for a person to ask and receive from God; what God has promised to give.

The word of Jesus of Nazareth is his conveyance of the Word he had received from God. He conveyed in his word, the Holy Spirit he had received and had been taught by God. Because this was truth, those who believed this word were able to conceive the Son of God by this word which is seed. Though it came through this man, it first came from God and is the Holy Spirit from God; the Seed from God he sowed in the minds of others. By his word and teachings of the Word he received from God, he gave others the power to become the Son of God. The “power” is to see and understand this way and know this way established by God as the way of salvation by God.

Those who do now see and understand this way were blind to this way before having their eyes of understanding healed and becoming able to see. These are the blind who are able to see by the works of giving this word of truth that originated with God; came from God. And those who do see and understand and do follow this way, are also saved from spirit death and given life by God. For this reason Jesus of Nazareth declared; “My word is spirit and is “life” to you.

Those who received this “seed” he planted by his word, did conceive and did see and understand the way of salvation by God is by receiving the promise of God which is the Holy Spirit God inspires in the mind. Those who did enter into this way and did come to God in this way and did receive the promise from God received equal portion with Jesus of Nazareth in all he received from God in this promise from God. These also became the Son of God Jesus of Nazareth became. These were begotten by God as Jesus of Nazareth was begotten by God. These as a type and kind, are the only begotten of and by God. Those not born of this Spirit from God are not the begotten of God and are not the children or Sons of God.

What I have given you is the “meat” few are able to eat and digest. Most are infants in the Spirit of God or are not of God and cannot eat and digest this meat’ the meat of the matters of God. But with my word I have also given you the milk you need. The basic foundational principles of the salvation by God.

Once a person conceives the Son of God by the seed given, this Son is in them. This Son exists in the body of spirit that has come into the mind. Once conceived, this Son comes to God and is fed and nourished by God as God gives His Holy Spirit to this Son. This is the “milk and honey” from God that changes into meat as the child grows and matures in knowledge, understanding and wisdom, which are given by God in His Word. In this way, God raises a person up from infancy to maturity in this mind and spirit of Christ.

This word I have given is a conveyance of the Word I have received from God; have been taught by God. This is my obedience to the will of God and the principles of God to cast bread on the waters; to sow the Seed I have received from God; to shed light on the true matters of God; to give the word that is the power for others to become the Son of God; to minister the Word of God to those seeking to know and understand the reality of God.

These are the works of God that is required of the ministers of God. These are the works begun by Jesus of Nazareth. These are the works performed by every Son of God. To heal the blind and deaf; the lame. To raise up to life those who are spiritually dead. To teach this word God desires every person to know and understand. This word reveals “the way” as taught by Jesus of Nazareth. The way established by God.

Having the Word authored by God in me, I have been “authorized” by God to speak His Word. This is my authority in these matters. I am an authority in these matters created by God to be so. These are the “living waters” I have received from God. These flow through me as the Word and Spirit from God flows through me. This is the reality of becoming a Son of God and a true minister of the Word of God.

This word is given for those in need; those needing to know and understand the truth in regards to the salvation by God; the promise of God; how this promise if received. It is food for the hungry and drink for the thirsty; those who hunger and thirst for truth and righteousness. Blessed are those who are able to see and understand the reality this word presents and portrays. Those who are blessed by God are those who receive by the grace of God, the substance of the promise of God. For the grace of God is the act of God giving what God has promised to give.

It is by meditation on this word God gives understanding that allows a person to see by the eyes of understanding the reality this word portrays.

In the love of God,

DW Suiter

Meditation.

Salvation of mankind.

The resurrection of mankind.

The salvation of mankind by God is the resurrection of mankind by God from spiritual death to spiritual life. Mankind “died” in Adam. Mankind remains in this death until resurrected by God from this death.

There are false teachings that say man has already been saved. This saying is not true. Teachings of the way of salvation by God came to mankind through the man known as Jesus of Nazareth. This way came to him from God. The knowledge and understanding of this way came to him from God.

What is this way? It is the way in and by which a person comes to the reality of God in mind and spirit, asking and receiving from God the works of God that create this salvation.

The “savior” of God is “that” which saved the man known as Jesus of Nazareth from spiritual death. It is often called the “Word” of and from God. This Word refers to the speaking and teachings of God. This Word comes directly from God to the one who receives this Word.

Any person desiring this salvation by God must become “spiritually minded.” Must learn what spirit is. Must receive the Holy Spirit from God for the mind.

It is the spirit of mankind that perpetuates the spiritual death of mankind. This spirit is the word and teachings of mankind concerning the matters of God. It is the Spirit from God that raises a person from this spiritual death into the spiritual life from God.

No person may possess this life from God until they receive this life from God which comes in the Word from God which is the Holy Spirit from God that God inspires in the mind. This Word and Spirit from God teaches a person the principles that must be known, understood and followed, that structure this life.

These principles are the “governors” that create the “government” of a person’s life. By these principles, a person “rules” their life. The “rules” are these principles. These principles when followed, lead a person into the righteousness of God; allow a person to lead a righteous life.

However it must be understood, all of salvation is of, from, and by God alone. Those who are the saved of and by God may only testify to these truths and teach others this way of salvation by God. The example of this is seen in the works of Jesus of Nazareth and those who followed this way he taught and did receive the salvation by God.

A person is not and cannot be saved by being a religionist; by following the teachings of a religion of man. The religions of man have been created by man as a replacement for God and God’s salvation.

Religion is not God; cannot save a person from spiritual death; cannot do what God alone is able to do. Those who follow the teachings of religion have been led astray.

God does not use religions in His way of salvation. The ways of religion stand against the way of God. God uses His Word which is truth for the salvation of mankind, teaching mankind His truth concerning the matters of God.

There are those who are the saved of God who having received this Word from God are able to convey this Word in their own word. Jesus of Nazareth was one such person. So also those who followed the way he taught and became like him, possessing this Word and Spirit from God.

These are the only true ministers of God. Others are ministers of religion. The ministers of God minister the Word of God, the ministers of religion minister the word of religions. Religion is first a belief system, and religionists enter into and remain in mere belief, never receiving salvation by God. Only those who follow the way established by God are saved by God.

God saves mankind from the mind and spirit mankind possesses that is not the mind and spirit created by God. Every person “lives” their life according to what the mind possesses in spirit. What has been inspired in the mind that are the principles or “ways” a person follows, that direct and control his life.

The “ways” of God are much higher that these ways of mankind. Higher principles that bring a different result or consequence when followed. When a person knows and understands the principle of love that is of God, it is easy to see who is of God and who is not. For lack of knowledge and understanding of this principle causes the majority of mankind’s social ills.

All principles of God are founded on and agree with this principle of love. This principle of God is obeyed and followed regardless of how one “feels.” It is not an emotion, but use of reason and logic. The reward for following and obeying this principle is the emotional feeling. A person feels good when doing good for others and when obeying the principles of God.

The “conscience” of a person brings to the conscious mind, what has been inspired in the mind concerning a matter one faces. If there has been no “good” principles inspired in the mind, there is no good conscience. For this reason it is said of some, they have no conscience. They do have a conscience but it is not a good conscience. What is brought to mind in these is the evil that has been learned as ways of life.

Those who receive from God have the Word from God that is brought to the conscious mind by the conscience. This, is the “guide” that guides a person. All that has been inspired in the mind is stored in the “memory” to be remembered when facing a matter. A person “remembers” the spirit body that has been inspired in the mind which is the ways a person has learned to respond to matters a person faces in life. These “members” of a spirit body are the many different teachings a person has accepted as truth and stored in the mind as ways to respond to matters faced in life.

The spirit body of mankind is not the spirit body of the Son of God until a person receives this body in the Word from God.

The contents of the mind dictate and control a person’s life. The type and kind of life a person lives is determined by the contents of the mind.

In addition, a person’s life is effected by the physical illnesses mankind has brought on himself by not following the natural order for all things established by God. As man possesses a perverted mind his acts and actions are perverted and the results, reward, and consequences of his acts and actions are seen in the ills of the physical body and the social orders of mankind.

This, is what God desires to save mankind from; this mind and spirit that controls the lives of mankind, a life void of the truth from God. A life of pain and sorrow. A life void of true peace love and joy. This life of peace, love, and joy, is continuous when the principles of God are continuously obeyed and followed.

This “life” God gives comes to a person in the “Word” from God that God inspires in the minds of mankind. For in this Word are the teachings of the principles of God. In this Word from God, God gives both knowledge and understanding of these principles.

By this Word, the mind and spirit of Christ is created in mankind by God. By this Word the spirit body of the Son of God is given to mankind by God; created in mankind by God. This spirit body replaces the spirit body man once possessed in his mind. The mind and spirit not from God that causes mankind all his problems in the life he has led. It is the mind that leads the physical body through life in the physical. In the mind is everything a person has learned in regards to how life is to be lived. Mankind who does not possess the mind and spirit created by God, do not and cannot live the life God gives to mankind.

All in all, this is a very simple matter, the salvation by God. It is the spirit of the mind of mankind that stands against this way of God. It is all the teachings of mankind that stand against this way of God. For mankind has been taught to hear and obey religious leaders. Mankind has not been taught to come to the reality of God and receive the reality of God’s salvation. This true way of salvation by God is met by unbelief when heard by mankind. This unbelief has been created by those of mankind who are not of God.

It is a strange word to mankind, this truth concerning the matters of God. It does not agree with what man has been taught and has believed. When a person who is the creation of God speaks of who and what he is, he is met with this unbelief and the acts and actions of fellow man who follow the dictates of their minds as created by fellow man. They follow the ways they have been taught as to how to respond to matters concerning God.

By the word, acts, and actions of a person, the spirit of that person is revealed to others. As said, a person who disobeys and violates the basic principle of love that is of God, can be seen to be a person who is not of God. Any person not being of God, the creation of God, stands against God and the ways of God. These stand and fight against the truth concerning the matters of God.

For these have been taught to be the way they are, their mind and spirit created by fellow man; fallen man; spiritually dead man; created to be as they are. These follow the ways they have been taught that are not the ways of God; the principles of God. The non-truth used to create their minds in regards to the matters of God shall always stand against the truth. For non-truth is the opposite of truth.

The vast majority of mankind do not know these truths and possess a mind created by non-truth. However, they have not learned to become spiritually mind and recognize the reality of their minds being a creation that is not the creation of God. These have not learned nor have they understood, what a mind is and how it is created. They do not know nor understand the workings of the mind.

These, are held captive by the contents of the mind. These have become slaves to what they have been taught and have learned. They do not know how easy it is to be set free. These do not know nor understand it is the contents of the minds of mankind that cause all of the problems mankind encounters in his “life.”

What you have read is the revelation of the basic understanding necessary in order to understand how God saves mankind and what mankind is saved from. A person should meditate on these matters, asking God to shed “Light” on these matters by giving understanding to the mind. God is more than able to cause a person to be able to see and understand these matters. Those who are truly of God do see and understand these matters.

For those who do not understand, this word I give I have been taught by God. It is not “my way.” It is the way I have followed and declare to be the way of God; the way established by God.

It is a prudent person who inspects their mind to see what dwells in the mind that stands in opposition to this word. To determine where the unbelief came from. It is a wise and prudent person who understands their mind may be the creation of another who is not of God and what is taught stands against the reality of God and God’s truth.

Few people look at their mind as a creation. Few people look at the contents of the mind and ask where it came from. Few people become spiritually minded in this manner. For this reason, there are very few who are the creation of God; the Son of God. There are very few who possess the mind and spirit of Christ as created by God and the Word from God. But let it be understood, when this mind and spirit of Christ is in mankind, in maturity, then know Christ has returned to mankind as promised. For Christ is what all persons were predetermined and predestined to be by God for this person is the creation of “man” by God, in the image of God.

In the love of God,

DW Suiter

DW;
Hau Mitakola!
I have been reading so much from you and g4cwa I haven't responded lately. I hope you are well and some good health has returned to you. I must say, the approach you are using to convey your ideas is much more effective than a few months ago. Or....maybe it's me who has changed?!! Hmmm...could it be?

This last post of yours reminded me of a principle I use in meditation. It is the 11th step of AA which says, "We sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God, as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His Will for us, and the power to carry that out."
It simplifies what you are speaking of, that if our minds are in constant communion with God, He will reveal His Will to us and He will provide us with the knowledge,the intellect, and the tools we need to ensure the fulfillment of His purpose. We need not ask questions so long as we allow God to be the director of our lives and we listen and heed to that soft gentle voice that instructs us what He would have us do. It also tells us that we must constantly seek to improve our understanding. So long as we only seek God's Will, we will not be caught up in the chaos of the world, and we will simply know the right thing to do, and then do it, regardless of what the world would have us do..

Wakan Tanka nici un yawaste', Mitakola....To`na Wanagi

Hello To`na Wanagi;

May this word find you in the peace, love, and joy, of God.

You, as I and many others, know the reality of God and the reality of receiving from God. Many others do not for they have followed a different path that does not lead a person into this reality.

Hopefully, what I have presented will open their eyes to this existing reality and they will seek this. Remembering, there are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

It is extremely important for people to see and understand how the mind is created and the different words used to create the mind. Few have looked at their mind as a creation that may become a new creation by the works of God.

The next step is to understand why it is so important to become this creation of God. To possess this life God gives in His Word; to be able to live this life. Now, and later, the eternal life with God.

There is a slogan used I think by the US Army; “Be all you can be.” If only mankind would see what they can be and desire this, what a wonderful world we would live in. The more this word is spread the more the unbelief crumbles; the more the blind begin to see. God is real and God really performs the works of promise.

With you in the Spirit of God, In the love of God,

DW Suiter

Meditation.

Why God saves mankind.

God gives in His Word a new creation in mankind. God does this for one reason. So each and every one of mankind may have the life God gives and teaches a person to live. So each person of mankind may know and experience a life of peace, love, and joy.

In the Word from God comes the spirit body of the Son of God. This Son comes so mankind may have life and a more abundant life.

It is the will of God that mankind lives this life God gives, now and later when passing on from the physical.

In order to possess and live this life a person must receive this life from God. This life is received in the Word from God that teaches mankind how to live this life. In order to have and live this life a person must give up the life they have been taught to live by fellow mankind. They must give up the spirit body created by the word of fellow man, the spirit body of the son of man, the evil one.

The will and desire of God is that each and every person of mankind comes to God to receive this life. This is the love of God for mankind who has fallen away from God; who has lost his way; who is spiritually dead in regards to this Living spirit God gives.

This is why mankind should come to God to receive from God. Not from fear nor intimidation by fellow man nor to please fellow man. Mankind should see what this life is and what it consists of then experience a desire for this life.

Receiving this life from God is simply a choice. It is freely given by God to mankind. The only requirement by God for this life is man must give up the life he lives and knows to live. He must offer up to God the “son” or “person” he is as a creation of mind and spirit by fellow mankind. He must allow the “killing off” of the old man and “son” he is in order to receive the “new man” who is the creation of God.

This transformation is performed only by God. No person of mankind; no religion of mankind is able to perform these works of transformation.

All mankind are named to be heirs of this promise of God. All who receive this Word/Seed from God are the heirs who have received their inheritance. All who have received this from God are co-heirs with Jesus of Nazareth in all he received from God. All who receive this from God are the same Son of God Jesus of Nazareth is.

In this way it is God who teaches a person how to live this life God gives. God alone is teacher of the principles and ways of life that structure this life. A person must honor God alone as teacher and Father of this new creation by God. The mind must be closed to the word and teachings of man concerning the matters of God and this life. A person must place all faith and trust in God, that God shall perform these works God has promised to perform.

A person must realize the reality of these promised works of God. A person must realize the person God creates one to be in this way in mind and spirit.

This is the simple truth of the simplicity of salvation by God. God saves mankind from the life he now lives and teaches mankind how to live a much better and happier life. This is all there is to the salvation by God.

If you are able to remove all religious teachings from mankind from the mind and understand this simple process by God you have grasped the truth concerning salvation by God. You have seen and understood what the creation of God is.

The “evil one” is the creation mankind now is. The mind and spirit created by fellow mankind. This is also the enemy of God who fights against God and the truth from God. This is the enemy who plants his seed in the minds of mankind. This word you read exposes who and what the evil one is. This word also reveals who and what the Son of God is.

Every person shall be one or the other; the Son of God or this evil one and son of perdition. These are the only two choices a person has. All mankind are born first as the evil one, being a creation of fallen mankind in mind and spirit. It takes the works of transformation by God to become the Son of God. To be saved from the evil of the evil one. If a person is not the Son of God; if a person has not been taught truth directly by God that transforms a person; then know and understand this person is the evil one scriptures speak of. It is a generation of mankind that is generated or created in and by evil. The Sons of God are the sons of Light and the sons of perdition or evil are the sons of darkness. The Light is the Word and truth from God. The darkness is the absence of this Word and truth from God. Religious darkness is not this Light from God.

The sons of Light shed the Light from God on matters pertaining to God. The sons of darkness spread the darkness of the darkened counsel of mankind.

Meditate on these true matters. See and understand you have a choice as to what you shall be and a choice in the life you shall live. Remembering, all that is required of you by God is that you submit. You must pay the same price Jesus of Nazareth paid. You must die to the old self in order to receive the new man you are raised up in which is to be raised up in this life from God by God.

If you decide to come to God to receive from God, this life, then you have made this world a better place and have become an example to others of how life should be lived in peace, love, and joy. If you relate this truth from your experience, you have done the will of God by giving this Word to others. In time, all mankind shall be this son and God shall be the Father of all who are this son; the Son of God.

In the love of God,

DW Suiter

DW;
Great Post! There is a word/phrase used many times in ancient writings, the word is "fear". I often think of the reasons people either do, or don't, come to God and that word "fear" always comes into play. Fear is misconstrued in the context of "fear of God" which means respect or honor. Fear, "to be afraid of", of God only occurs when we have done something in opposition to the way of God, which is the way of the son of perdition. The way of the world deceives us, coerces us, into thinking everything we do is okay and permissible. Then we get caught up into this way and have good reason to fear, "be afraid of" God, because there are always natural consequences to everything we do. Pure logic of cause and effect says, "if you do this, then that", God is therefore also pure logic. Those of us who love God, fear, "honor and respect" God because He has saved us from ourselves and from the deceptive ways of the world, and for that we are ever grateful. The one we should fear, "be afraid of", is the one the world embraces. He is the one who speaks in lies to us and says, "surely you will not die", if you do this, or that, thing. We have all travelled both paths at some time in our lives, and we still occasionally fail when our own self will takes over. Your posts always point out that it is a "choice", and so it is. It is a matter of our own free will to choose whether it be my will, or God's Will. And that process of self-examination must be with us constantly as we walk through each hour, of each day, God has given each one of us. And for this moment in time, I will, I choose to, serve the Lord....Pilamaya Mitakola, Mai Wakan Inip'ila....To`na Wanagi

Thank you To`na Wanagi, for your kind words.

I have attempted to remove the "religious law" concerning the salvation of God and to present the simple truth as to what this salvation is. There are many who have no desire to be saved from their life for they live a carnal life where physical comfort and pleasure is pleasing to them. Being carnally minded they do not know what spiritual matters are.

But there are many others who each day "pray" to God that their life may be changed. Too many of these are held captive by the "religious law" and the many ways religions declare a person must go in order to be saved by God.

In reality, God awaits all. God is ready and waiting to give to each this life God has promised. It is indeed a simple matter of asking and receiving this from God. It is totally between a person and God, this salvation. But it is a simple matter and a simple way established by God.

God sent His Son; this new creation of God; to mankind so that mankind may have this life and this life more abundantly. God sends this Son into each and every one who comes to God to receive this new creation of God and to be transformed into this creation of God. A person cannot live this life God gives until they "know" and "understand" how to live this life. God alone is the teacher of the way to live this life. As a father teaches a child, raising up the child in teachings of what to do and how to do it, so also God raises up His children in this same way, teaching a person what to do and how to do it. In this way, the saying; "Like father like son" becomes a reality for the son is created in the image of God in mind and spirit. The mind is built up with what God conveys from His mind.

It is indeed a simple truth and a simple way of "saving" mankind. It is religion and their endless laws and doctrines that place the barriers between a person and God. Teaching man "formulas" and "rituals" they have created as a way of salvation. And of course the liars who tell people all they have to do is say a few words and they are saved or those who say they are already saved because Jesus of Nazareth died for them and paid for their salvation.

God alone saves. And God has established the way of salvation that is easy to understand and follow. But a person must hear the truth in regards to this way. And believe this truth and "prove" this word of truth by following this way and receiving from God.

You have recieved from God and in this way have proved this way of Spirit. You have been transformed in mind and spirit by God. You possess the sure knowledge God has made these changes in you. This is what the vast majority of mankind do not possess; this sure knowledge.

I testify to this reality and will continue to do so. For this is the will of God that His Word concerning this way of salvation be sown continuously. In a metaphor, this is also the casting of "bread" on the waters. It is "bread from heaven" from God that is being given into the words and sayings of mankind. The "Living waters" that flow from a person's belly, are the waters from above; from God. The waters of death; "Wormwood;" are the waters of fallen mankind who is separated from God. These flow from the belly of these. The "belly" is where all the food goes; the food for thought.

Stay warm and kind and loving as you are, in the hand of God.

In the love of God,

DW Suiter

Meditation

Learning and knowledge.

As is said, many are forever studying but never coming into the knowledge of truth. Many study scriptures, ancient history, and other writings of man but never come to God to receive sure knowledge of the truth.

Scriptures present this word; “You study the scriptures thinking in them to find your life, but they only testify of “me.” The “me” he spoke of was the Son of God he had become; the saved of God; the begotten of God. In this way, life is received from God. Life cannot be received by studying scriptures. Those who spend their time studying scriptures and never come to God in the way God has established, never find this life in scriptures for it is not there. It is given by God alone.

Unfortunately, religionists do this; rely on scriptures; constantly refer to what scriptures say and have replaced God with scriptures. Too many believe the scriptures are the Word of God.

Scriptures have been misinterpreted, mistranslated, changed and perverted, added to by mankind; the religionists; to fit their imagination. The scriptures are good for one thing; to cause a person to conceive the reality of God and the promise of God to all mankind.

Only after receiving truth from God is any person able to correctly interpret the scriptures. Only by the Word from God is any person able to understand what others with possession of the Word of God have written.

Life is given by God and comes in His Word; the Word that proceeds forth from Him; directly from God. Scriptures are not a substitute for the mind of God from which His Word comes. Mankind has attempted to do this, replace the Word from God with scriptures and in doing so, is separated further from God.

When reading or studying scriptures a person should be looking for the way in and by which the disciples of Jesus of Nazareth received the promise from God. For this promise is the salvation of mankind by God. As these were saved by God so also all mankind are saved by God. Jesus of Nazareth received this promise and was saved by God.

This is what a person should be looking for; what this promise is and how it is received from God. The “key” points made by Jesus of Nazareth and the other Sons of God are the keys to seeing and understanding this way of salvation by God. The key points are key principles that must be understood and followed. A person should be asking God for understanding when studying scriptures and all man has taught concerning these matters should be removed from the mind, making the mind clean and acceptable to God for His Word/Seed. This is the act of honoring God instead of fellow man. A person who does not honor God in this manner and does not place total faith and trust in God cannot expect to receive anything from God. For this person has not followed the way established by God.

The Word from God brings “revelation.” Revelation is the act of revealing what has been hidden or covered up. When a person receives this revelation from God, they see what they could not see before; they understand what they did not understand before; they know what they did not know before. This is how God gives mankind knowledge, understanding and wisdom, by this way of Spirit, by inspiring this in the mind of mankind by way of revelation; by revealing.

Just as what was hidden by darkness is seen when a light is shined in the physical, so also the mind is able to see what the darkened counsel of mankind has covered up in darkness. And what did not exist in the mind now exists because of God placing substance and matter there.

The principle is simple. Scriptures are testimonies of mankind. God’s Word comes from God. Life is received from God. God saves, neither man nor the word from mankind. Jesus of Nazareth saved no one. He taught the way of salvation and those who followed this way were saved by God. The way has not changed.

Beware of false teachers and false prophets who set their selves up in the place of God as God to mankind. The “abomination of the desolate.” Those who do not teach a person to come to God are not of God. Those who teach a person to fear the Word one receives from God are not of God. There is one teacher of truth; God. There is one Creator of “man” in the image of God; God. There is one true minister who teaches the way to be saved by God; those who have been this way and are the saved of God.

Understand the word of scripture; “This is my beloved Son; hear him.”

In the love of God,

DW Suiter

Hi All

I’d like to take the time to address this last post line for line. I will use scripture (not my words but the Inspired Word of God) to clarify truth as given to us by God through His prophets. I will as a witness try to explain each, in truth as I understand it to be. Please look these up for yourself and test my words to be in context and with what is already written.

D.W. Wrote…“As is said, many are forever studying but never coming into the knowledge of truth. Many study scriptures, ancient history, and other writings of man but never come to God to receive sure knowledge of the truth.”

(Answer) John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life, [1] and the life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it."

Christ shares His position with no other. No prophet, teacher or person. It is clear from this statement that knowledge even sure knowledge of truth does not save. He does.

D.W. “Scriptures present this word; “You study the scriptures thinking in them to find your life, but they only testify of “me.” The “me” he spoke of was the Son of God he had become; the saved of God; the begotten of God”

(Answer) John 1:14 " And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ."

John points here that the Word already existed as “The Word” BEFORE He became flesh. Not after He received knowledge. This directly conflicts with D.W.s teachings.

D.W “In this way, life is received from God. Life cannot be received by studying scriptures. Those who spend their time studying scriptures and never come to God in the way God has established, never find this life in scriptures for it is not there. It is given by God alone.”

(Answer) Matthew 5:17-19
17 ¶ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Lk. 16.17

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Christ here confirms His position and place in and of "the law "(scriptures).

D.W. “Unfortunately, religionists do this; rely on scriptures; constantly refer to what scriptures say and have replaced God with scriptures. Too many believe the scriptures are the Word of God.”

(Answer) 2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Apparently Paul disagrees with D.W.

D.W. “Scriptures have been misinterpreted, mistranslated, changed and perverted, added to by mankind; the religionists; to fit their imagination. The scriptures are good for one thing; to cause a person to conceive the reality of God and the promise of God to all mankind.”

(Answer) Refer to previous answer.

D.W. “Only after receiving truth from God is any person able to correctly interpret the scriptures.”

(Answer) 2 Timothy 2:15 (King James Version)
15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
Paul is encouraging those to rightly understand scripture. Nowhere does he claim that this cannot be done without a qualifier.

D.W. “Only by the Word from God is any person able to understand what others with possession of the Word of God have written.”

(Answer) 2 Timothy 3:16-17 "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work"

If “as Paul says” the Word can be used for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness… than it must be also for the benefit of those who need such and not just those who previously have come to know truth. They wouldn’t need it.

D.W. “Life is given by God and comes in His Word; the Word that proceeds forth from Him; directly from God.

(Answer) John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. 15 (John bore witness about him, and cried out, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me ranks before me, because he was before me.’”) 16 And from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace. 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

He is the Word and He is God. We are not.

D.W. “Scriptures are not a substitute for the mind of God from which His Word comes.”

(Answer) John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Christ is the Word and was with God and was God at the beginning. Scripture is God breathed and is of God given to us for the reason Paul speaks of.

D.W. “Mankind has attempted to do this, replace the Word from God with scriptures and in doing so, is separated further from God.”

(Answer) 2 Corinthians 11:13-15, KJV "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers,
transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no
marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of
light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also
be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end
shall be according to their works."

The Word from God is the scriptures. The Word of God is Christ. The above is just one of the many scriptures dealing with false teaching and teachers. Nowhere do we find the witness, that scripture separates us from God. False teachers do.

D.W. “When reading or studying scriptures a person should be looking for the way in and by which the disciples of Jesus of Nazareth received the promise from God. For this promise is the salvation of mankind by God. As these were saved by God so also all mankind are saved by God.”

(Answer) I agree.

(D.W.) Jesus of Nazareth received this promise and was saved by God.

(Answer) Back to John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
God don’t need saving.

(D.W.) “This is what a person should be looking for; what this promise is and how it is received from God.

(Answer) Matthew 22:34 19 "When the Pharisees heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together,
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and one of them [a scholar of the law] 20 tested him by asking,
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"Teacher, 21 which commandment in the law is the greatest?"
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He said to him, 22 "You shall love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.
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This is the greatest and the first commandment.
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The second is like it: 23 You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
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24 The whole law and the prophets depend on these two commandments."

This is what and how we are to be.

(D.W.) “The “key” points made by Jesus of Nazareth and the other Sons of God are the keys to seeing and understanding this way of salvation by God. The key points are key principles that must be understood and followed.”

(Answer) Matthew 5:11 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you."

All of scriptures are necessary to know and understand, or you are left with part truth. This will lead to improper understanding of the truths given to the prophets.

(D.W,) “A person should be asking God for understanding when studying scriptures and all man has taught concerning these matters should be removed from the mind, making the mind clean and acceptable to God for His Word/Seed.”

(Answer) Matthew 9:12 On hearing this, Jesus said, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 13But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.'[a] For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

God accepts us as we are. After all He is our Father. It is not by what we do that we are worthy but Him. Asking for understanding from God is very good and important. Much of this is already written. READ IT.

(D.W.) “This is the act of honoring God instead of fellow man. A person who does not honor God in this manner and does not place total faith and trust in God cannot expect to receive anything from God. For this person has not followed the way established by God.”

(Answer) 2 Chronicles 7:14 "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."

This holds true today. But Truth always remains truth.

(D.W.)”The Word from God brings “revelation.” Revelation is the act of revealing what has been hidden or covered up. When a person receives this revelation from God, they see what they could not see before; they understand what they did not understand before; they know what they did not know before. This is how God gives mankind knowledge, understanding and wisdom, by this way of Spirit, by inspiring this in the mind of mankind by way of revelation; by revealing.
Just as what was hidden by darkness is seen when a light is shined in the physical, so also the mind is able to see what the darkened counsel of mankind has covered up in darkness. And what did not exist in the mind now exists because of God placing substance and matter there.

(Answer) The Word from God and The Word of God are both Godly ways we may know Him. They when understood and taught correctly Never Conflict.

(D.W.) “The principle is simple. Scriptures are testimonies of mankind.”

(Answer) False teaching comes from man. Scriptures were revealed to man by God. (see D.W.s paragraph stating) “The Word from God brings “revelation.” Revelation is the act of revealing what has been hidden or covered up.” This God did to the prophets. They wrote dowd these revelations just as God gave to them, so that we may know Him.

(D.W.)”God’s Word comes from God. Life is received from God. God saves, neither man nor the word from mankind.”

(Answer) 1:1 "Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called [to be] an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
1:4 And declared [to be] the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
1:6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:"

Here Paul points to scriptures and that we receive His Grace. So sorry D.W.

(D.W.) “Jesus of Nazareth saved no one. He taught the way of salvation and those who followed this way were saved by God. The way has not changed.”

(Answer) Hebrews 9:11 But now Christ has come15 as the high priest of the good things to come. He passed through the greater and more perfect tent not made with hands, that is, not of this creation, 9:12 and he entered once for all into the most holy place not by the blood of goats and calves but by his own blood, and so he himself secured16 eternal redemption. 9:13 For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a young cow sprinkled on those who are defiled consecrated them and provided ritual purity,17 9:14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our18 consciences from dead works to worship the living God.9:15 And so he is the mediator19 of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the eternal inheritance he has promised,20 since he died21 to set them free from the violations committed under the first covenant.”

Christ did not teach salvation. If salvation was teachable, we could save ourselves by obedience to this teaching. We in our condition can not do this. Thus we must rely on God for salvation and what He has done.

(D.W.) “Beware of false teachers and false prophets who set their selves up in the place of God as God to mankind. The “abomination of the desolate.” Those who do not teach a person to come to God are not of God. Those who teach a person to fear the Word one receives from God are not of God. There is one teacher of truth; God. There is one Creator of “man” in the image of God; God. There is one true minister who teaches the way to be saved by God; those who have been this way and are the saved of God.

(Answer) God has given us The word of God “His Son” who is God Himself. He has given The Word from God “Revelation to the prophets to give to His people” And His holy spirit “The counsellor that dwell within us” That we should KNOW HIM.

(D.W.)Understand the word of scripture; “This is my beloved Son; hear him.”

(Answer) D.W.s teachings conflict with established written truth given to the prophets for people who seek God through the grace of His Son Jesus (Yeshua) Christ.

I will continue to pray for you D.W. and hope you are feeling better.

Thnak you Bill for your views as a religionist who relies on scriptures instead of God. In your post you have proved the points I have made.

As I have stated, scriptures are interpreted in many differnt ways by different people. Which is why God established a way to know the truth. There are many different religions, many different denominations of religions, all believing the scriptures say different things. This, is not of God. God is not the author of all this confusion; mankind is. With God there is one truth which He gives to mankind in His Living Word; the Word that proceeds forth from Him to those able to receive. These are in oneness with God; in one mind, one Spirit, one truth. God is God. Religion is religion.

Thank you for sharing a religionist's beliefs on these matters.

As I have stated, I will not argue as religionists do. I rely totally on God; place all my faith and trust in God; and His promise which I have received. I continue to advise all persons to come to God to know the truth instead of being caught up in one of the many religious beliefs systems that do not lead a person to God but keep people captive to the religious law and doctrine.

Scriptures are not God and are not the Word of God. They are the words of man who has testified to the reality of God and the reality of receiving the promise from God; His Word; His truth; directly from Him.

Those who replace God with scriptures are in great error. To do this is to reject God as teacher of truth and giver of life. It is to not place faith and trust in God but in scriptures written by mankind; interpreted and translated by mankind.

An example as I have given before is the person Saul of Tarsus who studied the scriptures and was a devout religionist. Only when he saw the light and came to God, though, did he learn the truth and was transformed by God into a Son of God, by the works promised by God. As Paul was saved by God all must be for there is but one way established by God for the salvation of mankind. God saves, not man nor the writings of man; not the "scriptures,"

You have presented your understanding of scriptures derived from leaning on your own understanding. I have presented the Word I have received from God. I teach people to come to God. You defend studying scriptures as a replacement for the Living God and His promise. This is what Jesus of Nazareth was confronted with in his day when he began teaching the "good ndews" concerning the new and living way established by God in and by which any person may come to God to ask and receive the promise of God. The wise hear Jesus of Nazareth who declared; "Seek and you shall find; ask and it shall be given." It was he who also delcared the way for a person to "know the truth" as opposed to believing religious doctrines or by attempting to "figure everything out" by their own works of interpreting scriptures. This was being done at the time Jesus of Nazareth began teaching the way of being born again of and by God. You can bet your life on your way of interpreting scriptures and replacing God with scriptures if you desire. I prefer the Living God and His promise which I have recieved.

Again I encourage you Bill to humble yourself and the mind you have created by your own works and come to God to receive the promise of God; His Word; His Spirit; to be transformed by God by the renewing of the mind with truth by Him.

In the love of God,

DW Suiter

DW and DrBB;
Thank you both for the insight as you perceive the truth. I think you both have valid understandings as well as not and I will not presume one is greater than the other, as both of you are very passionate individuals. If one took the time to really study the 12 Steps of AA, one would be impressed in how God used two drunks, Bill W. and Dr. Bob, to start a movement almost as great as Jesus' ministry. The philosophy of AA comes directly from the teachings of Jesus, yet the message is a modern day theme. The greatest enemy we have is ourselves, Jesus said it, as did the founders of AA. AA has been more helpful to me in my spiritual journey than all of the religious denominations of the world. Within these pages, it exhorts me to look into the mirror, to remove the "plank of denial" from my eye, to recognize I am sick whether it be mind, body, spirit or emotions, to get rid of pride and ego and always thinking I'm right and everyone else is wrong.

But the most important principle of AA, is rigorous honesty. It teaches us that real truth dwells in the conscience of man and is placed there by God, or Higher Power. It teaches us that we cannot live with ourselves when we deny that truth because it will not settle in our minds nor our hearts. It is a pervading and corrosive thread that eats away at our souls. And then we seek worldly things, wealth, fame, man's "wisdom" through texts, notoriety, and power, thinking and believing therein lies the solution. And when we realize these things don't work either, we decide maybe a drink will ease our conscience, or a d r u g, and then another and another, as we attempt run from the truth God has placed in our consciences. I respect both of you and many others for their insight on this board. I appreciate your dedication to your particular ways, ideologies, philosophies, religions, beliefs, faiths, or whatever semantics one cares to use. What I have found is peace and serenity in following the rigorous honesty that then reveals God's truth to me. I have found true freedom. And then I can serve God and my fellow beings better in my pursuit of "always doing the next right thing", an AA colloquialism, not the ULC. We all have different approaches to discover spiritual fulfillment, so although our paths may be different our destination is the same. God will judge us all in the end, so why quibble now? There is a quote from the Big Book of AA that says, " I am serene in the infallibility of the principles of this program which provides me fulfillment of purpose." and also, "It is easy to let up on the spiritual program of action and rest on our laurels, but we are headed for trouble if we do." The mind is a subtle foe that can lead us away from that which we claim to pursue if we lack the rigorous honesty that reveals God's Will for us. It is a simple way, but not an easy way. I pray you will both hear my words in the spirit of love that it was intended....God's Peace and Love....To`na wanagi