The denial of that which we speak of as absolute truth / universal truth and the cultural relativism that comes from it are simply the logical result of a society that has currently embraced the theory of evolution as the explanation for life.

If evolution is true, then life has no meaning, we have no purpose, and there cannot be any absolute right or wrong!!!

We then are free to live life it pleases us and is universal accountable to anyone for their actions. Still matter how much sinful we want to deny the existence of higher powers /god and of absolute truth they still will someday stand before themselves in judgment.

As the Bible declares;
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools"
(Romans 1:18-22).

Your thoughts?

Romans is not found in the cannon of the scripture of the Church of Paradise.

As beleivers in evolution , we disagree with you. Adam and Eve were the first MODERN humans, not the first humans.
We bear the traditions of Adam and Eve, and our the spiritual descendants of Adam and Eve.
Evolution does serve a purpose, but one humans can not yet know. But the Most High does.
Evolution is a fact. Creationism is not.

Morality is defined by the Seven Traditional Virtues. Each person must consult with G_d through the counscious to know what G_d wants them to do.
Much of the Bible has been perverted by The Beast and fundementalists. Thus, the true message of the Last Adam was distorted by these individuals.

Lastly, we Edenics are not under the covenant of Moses nor that of The Beast. We are free to do as the Good Inclination tells us and follow the traditions of Adam and Eve.

"Truth" is any word accurately defining and portraying existing reality. Though mankind professes many conflicting "truths" most are merely beliefs and opinions.

There is but one truth concerning the matters of God. This truth is the Living Word from the Living God. Truth resides in the mind of God in sure knowledge. Who knows more about God than God?

Having not believed man may be taught truth by God or having refused what God has offered, mankind has created his own "convenient" truths.

However, all who are truly of God, possess; are of; one mind and one spirit and this, created by God as knowledge, understanding, and wisdom, coming in the Spirit of Truth directly from God.

Because of self created minds, few seek and few receive the truth from God. Consequently, there are divisions, conflicts, wars, and murderous desires among those who say they "love" God.

Sadly, instead of coming to God to be taught truth, the many create their own truth by their imagination, creating religions, dogmas, doctrines, laws, etc. And sadly, many of these proclaim they are "Christians."

A true Christian is any person in the way of Christ; in the way of being taught truth by God. A true Christian receives the Holy Spirit from God which is the Spirit of Truth which is the truth God teaches. There is no conflict in the Word and truth from God and those receiving this Word and this truth are in agreement concerning the matters of God.

Unless a person is in this way of Christ they are engaging in folly. Vain works that do not bring the result desired by God. For God has designed and established the way to know the truth. God is able to fulfill what God has promised.

Why would a person turn to other sources other than God when seeking truth? Because they do not believe they may actually or really be taught truth by God.

Few have chosen to prove the way taught by Jesus of Nazareth and the other Sons of God. Consequently, few possess sure knowledge of truth. Most are content with their beliefs and opinions, never understanding the need to be set free by the truth from God.

False teachings and doctrines of devils are able to blind a person to the degree they cannot see what exists; they cannot see what is being said.
It is no different than asking a physically blind person to look at the painting of Mona Lisa and describing what they see. They are only able to offer what they imagine according to what they have heard from others.
They cannot relate from direct experience. Neither can the vast majority of religionists. They relate from what they have gathered from other's words and teachings.

I for one, have proved Jesus of Nazareth spoke truth. I have proved the way he taught to be the way established by God for gaining sure knowledge of truth concerning the matters of God. For this reason I often refer to the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth just as Jesus of Nazareth referred to the teachings of Moses and the prophets.

Jesus of Nazareth was a man; one of mankind; who directly experienced communication with God. Realizing religion could never answer his questions, he followed the way explained by David; sought and found God; asked and received from God; what God has promised. Knowing the love of God, he spent his time getting the word of the reality into the minds of others, explaining this way of spirit and the way of gaining knowledge of truth from God, via this spirit of truth, the Holy Spirit.

The way has never changed. His words and teachings are as important today as when first spoken. He presented himself as a Son of God delaring; "If you love me you will keep my commandments." Followed by;
"If you follow my commandments then you shall know the truh and the truth shall set you free." Simple statements that present existing reality.
Most are blind and have been blinded to the fact he spoke of existing reality; reality any person may experience by following the way he taught.

Which raises the question; "Why aren't people coming to God to gain knowledge of truth so all may be in agreement as to what is truth concerning the matters of God?"

Whether my first ancestor evolved from another species or was created out of clay by God is not what gives my life meaning. I am here, now.

Why would evolution necessarily lead to the notion that there cannot be any absolute right or wrong? You could infer evolution as a process set in motion and guided by a divine being, instead of assuming that it is random. I think that the origin of humanity is only incidental to the question of "meaning."

When a couple bring forth a child, they have not created a child but have produced a child. The child, not having existed before conception, has no choice in the matter. The child came to be.

The child is taught and learns ways of life. These ways or principles, structure the life the child learns to live.

From the physical seed, comes the physical body. The mind and spirit comes from all that enters the mind and remains there. When born the mind is empty but has the capacity to learn.

The purpose for life, as God declares, is so a person may enjoy life.

As all physical beings reproduce, so also God. God is the goal or end result for a human being to exist. Life in the physical body is merely a temporary stage of development of the soul; the mind and spirit.

The term is used in scriptures; "Joy unspeakable." Meaning it is not possible to explain this degree of joy. Life, as God structures life, is one of peace, love and this joy.

The parents of a child attempt to bring joy to the life of the child so the child may experience joy. Unfortunately, and too often, the attempts are made by use of physical matter. But that is another subject. True joy is a state of mind. As is peace and love.

A male and female often desire a child. So they may experience the joy of raising a child. God also desires children so God may experience the joy of raising the child. It is the nature of God that exists in the seed of mankind, transferred into the child who is conceived.

The purpose of living is based on the reality another other than self has brought you into existence according to the desire and will of God. God designed the blueprint for all life long ago. The plant life; the animal life; the human life; all reproduce because of the "natural" desire they did not create.

A person exists as a living being because of the will and desire of God. The physical parents produced the child because of the desire living within them which they did not create.

Mankind may be seen as a garden that is planted. The "produce" is taken when ripe or mature. What God plants, God takes to be with God and the family of God.

What good is love if there is nobody or there is nothing to give love to? Because God "is love" God desires a recepient for this love. God also desires this recepient follow or obey the same principles in order to experience the joy of giving this love.

For this reason, God creates the mind and spirit of a person by teaching truth concerning life and living. God teaches the principles that structure the life God lives and those of this family of God.

Every atom and molecule has been placed in a certain and particular order by God. Every atom and molecule remains in this order established by God. God has established both the physical law and the spiritual law.
God has established the parameters for all.

This is why a person exists or has come into existence.

Because the vast majority of mankind are separated from God and do not know these matters of God, this life of peace, love and joy is not being lived. Mankind has formulated his own principles for life, designing and structuring his own life or ways of life, that cannot give the peace, love and joy the principles of God structure as life.

The "world" as written of in scriptures, refers to the social order or orders of mankind. The world man lives in has been created by man. Jesus of Nazareth was not "of" this world having been transformed by God and having been taught truth by God, he lived spiritually in the world God created. A social order. In his mind are all the principles he was taught by God, becoming one of and with God by learning also, obedience to these principles.

Having gained knowledge of truth from God, he laid down the ways of life man had taught him to live and took up or began living life as God had taught him to live. Having then this life of peace, love and joy, his desire was to teach others concerning this life and how they also could receive this life from God in the teachiings from God. It was love that empowered him to desire to do this. It was his desire that others of fellow mankind possess this life also. In his teachings were the principles of how a person may ask and receive this from God. The principles found in his teachings are the keys that unlock the doors of the mind in order to allow the Word from God entry inside.

When a person possesses this life from God they know and understand the reason and meaning of life and living. They understand why they exist.

When a person is miserable living life as man teaches, it is difficult to understand why they exist and what the meaning of life is. The end result of man's creation of mind and spirit is not the same as the creation of God. Consequently, life is not the same. If life is miserable or filled with pain and sorrow, a person may hate his/her life. This is good, "if" they understand they may possess the life God gives for such is the teaching of Jesus of Nazareth and the understanding as he declared a person must come to hate his life. Sadly, a vast number of people do not know of the life God gives and desire to end their lives because they hate their life.

They do not know nor understand how good life can be. They have not been taught truth.

Imagine for a moment how life would be with fellow man if every person was as Jesus of Nazareth. If every person possessed the mind and spirit of Christ. This then would be the world of God. Which is why it is written, this world of man shall be destroyed and the world of God shall be established. A new world.

But man has been kept from God by the evil in the world man has created. Man has been lied to concerning the matters of God. Mankind is as sheep following a shepherd. They do not know where they are going and only know to follow along with the herd.

The metaphor of the good shepherd is to explain a true minister of God leads a person back to God so he may receive this life from God. This minister explains the principles of asking and receiving from God; the reality.

Salvation by God is salvation from the mind and spirit created by mankind in fellow mankind. In this, there is salvation from this life not of peace, love, and joy. In this hope is given to all who believe the foundational truths. When faith is placed in God instead of the ways of man, God reciprocates according to the promise of God to give to each and every person who comes to receive.

Perhaps this helps your understanding.

So when you say this you are saying that as a seed from my mother and father that i was souless and i had nothing, everything that i know is just a product of my enviroment, and that everything i think and feel has not universal pull or understanding or even basis in my perception of reality!!!!

I choose to be here, my mother actually had her tubes severed months even before i was born. I was not to have been born. Yet here i sit typing, and pondering the audacity of what you are saying.

Did you read over what you said? Do you actually belive this? If so you are just a fool, who claims to be wise.



When a couple bring forth a child, they have not created a child but have produced a child. The child, not having existed before conception, has no choice in the matter. The child came to be.

The child is taught and learns ways of life. These ways or principles, structure the life the child learns to live.

From the physical seed, comes the physical body. The mind and spirit comes from all that enters the mind and remains there. When born the mind is empty but has the capacity to learn.

the_lost_one stated;



No, that is not what I have said.

What I said was;



And you have said you chose your mother and father and chose to be born before you existed? Astonishing statement. Is this something you remember? How did you exist before you were conceived and born? Whose child were you before you were conceived and born? How were you previously conceived and born? Perhaps you should contact the scientists in the scientific field. They would be very interested in knowing how a person can exist and have a mind that has the ability to choose before they come into existence as a human being. Perhaps you should tell God His established order is all wrong. You should tell God you have a better way. I am sure you are sincere, right?

Have you read over what you have said? Do you actually believe this?

And if I may use your words; "If so you are just a fool, who claims to be wise."

The answer to this question rests in how we were once ONE, with God in the beginning and so shall it be, in the end.
Being one with the Father, as a predispatched "seed", to use your term...we also chose to have this life, just as Jesus chose, as well as many lives before...being eternal since the beginning and until the end.
When All Will Be One Again.
Whether the acients removed this understanding or, never knew it...
it remains the reason God has called us to come and reason out our sins with Him, renewing the mind.



No. It is the emperical science of logic and reason, through understanding.




Much the same way, abscent of the experiences of this life that will determine my next transition...my next form a.k.a. mansion.



Besides the tone of arrogance, it doesn't matter what our former lives were in detail if you understand that matter is not matter but eternal energy that is constantly transforming, disipating and reforming throughout eternity.



Again, this question displays an arrogance that promps me to ask you, where is God when you speak of Him?
Where does the wind come from?
What you know is true, is sometime unspeakable in terms of words, is it not.



Quantum Science and Noetic Science has already ebgun to investigate these "inspirations" you obviously know little about...hence you mockery.



Actually, God's order is Sovereign and unchangeable however, our understanding of it has consistanly been and will always be limited.
It takes new thoughts to examine acient wisdoms, not indepth deciphering of mathematics and linguistical meanings.
Centuries of such practices have proven to be ineffectual at transforming humanity's mind.





Woe to Him who says, "Thou art a fool..."

I see you are up to your old tricks KOLT.

KOLT wrote;



What I wrote;



You are entitled to formulate your beliefs KOLT. You are given the right by God to accept or reject His truth as He teaches. Your theories and opinions are not found in the scriptures of mankind who have communicated with God. Nor has God taught these theories and opinions of yours.

There are many false religious teachings that cause a person to believe they may sin; they may refuse the salvation offered by God; and be saved later. These, make a mockery of the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth and the otehr Sons of God.

Believe as you will. God's Word shall prevail. Reality remains reality even when a person has never conceived this reality.

My faith remains in God and the Word from God.

As a minister of God, I lead people to God to receive from God, the truth. I do not lead people astray with self formulated beliefs and opinions. I recommend you come to God and allow God to cleanse your mind and create a mind and spirit of truth in you.

Please explain how you have formulated your beliefs KOLT. Offer a source so others may prove or disprove what you have said. What is your source KOLT? In other posts you have declared it is from your own studies of what many of mankind has written. Which is of course, the way many have created their own mind by formulating their own beliefs.

Sure knowledge of truth is not arrogance KOLT. You have judged erroneously. Unrighteously. As those did who hated and despised Jesus of Nazareth when he spoke with sure knowledge. When he taught the way to know the truth by being taught truth by God. Those refusing to believe this is possible never receive the truth from God and rely on their own self created mind; their own beliefs and opinions. They are called "unbelievers" in scripture.

A word to meditate on.

DW, my friend and brother in
the journey of reunion,

it is as simple as this:

I can not declare myself separated from others
when I stand at the foot of the cross with all...
looking up at The Christ, we all seek redemption
but, all but one way is in vain.

That way is forgiveness.
Any other spirit of preaching and teaching
is false in it's motives because they do not lift
up the gift and the sacrifice that has redeemeed
our thinking out of the thoughts of judgment and
condemnation.

If you need a place to begin this understanding...
Neale Donald Walsh's "Conversations with God" is
a good beginning for many.

If you prefer a more scientific beginning, Dr. Dean
Radin's "Entangled Minds" might be enlightening for you.

But it would be my guess that this link would be more to
your comfort:

http://teachings-of-jesus-christ.org/jesus_christ.html

At any point DW, do not be confused about me when I
tell you my sources are too numerable to list.

God's knowledge is not a limited vacuum of ancient
canonized authorities.
To rely only on scripture related wisdoms and
teachings, is to paly it safe, by not trusting in
The Spirit of The Creator that has manifested you to
find Himself in you, and yourself in Him.

There is no place you can be, that God is not.
The Father's abscense does not exist, therefore
it is ignorance that tell us we're separated from Him,
and He from us.

You should know that better than most, being a Son Of God.

Journey Well my friend.

Sorry KOLT. My teacher is God. I do not attempt to learn truth concerning the matters of God from fellow man. I honor Jesus of Nazareth by following the way he taught.

Every person chooses for theirselves who they will honor and who they place their faith in.

Unfortunatley, the vast majority of mankind do not believe the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth and do not follow the way he taught in and by which a person "shall know the truth." I have. I have proved his word to be true. There is no greater way to honor Jesus of Nazareth than to follow the way he taught. as he declared; "IF you love me you will follow my commandments."

The disciples who loved him followed the way he taught, his commandments, and recieved the promise of God exactly as he declared they would. And all who have loved him, honored him, have followed this way have received the same promise from God including myself.

So thank you for the reference but I choose to honor only God.

I claim to be neither fool nor wise.

I can only claim what I perceive to be truth from the nothingness that I can from, as we can all agree that we come from nothing, thus the topic in search of universal truth.

Just as I have the ability to learn and comprehend from what you speak, that does not make the words you speak infallible. The words that you so desperately hang on to and recite back, like a solider reciting his SSN.
These words that you believe to be the word of GOD are not the true teachings. The words in your beloved book were edited, translated, and re-written by man in a general consensus (which is a documented fact). Seeing as how no man is capable of understanding the true nature of god or even able to comprend a fraction. Let alone the hundreds of documented translators that were used in its translation http://www.av1611.org/kjv/kjvhist.html How can you stand behind you book and preach it to me? When man by nature is not even capable of understanding the oneness. Anyone who will blindly stand behind the “general consensus” of these men, without questioning or searching for their own truth is going against the entire search for oneness and universal truth. They are just seeking shelter and refuse in false idols. Your words that you spit back at me are a mockery, perverted, and you are manipulating then suite your own words. Which by your book, your own given beliefs, is if im not mistaken is a sin.

If you were responding to my post;

The scriptures or a book (bible) are not the Word of God. The Word I speak of is the Word that comes directly from God.

Long ago I learned the principle of proving as opposed to merely believing a word.

Unfortunately, few are able to conceive the reality of God inspiring His Word in the mind, which is the way I speak of. If you are sincere in your search for truth, you will follow the way taught by Jesus of Nazareth and "prove" his word as I did. You will be taught truth by God as he declared.

However, if you are as the many and do not believe this is possible your unbelief has closed your mind to God and truth.

Your alternative is fellow man and his word concerning God, of which, there are literally thousands of differing beliefs and opinions. Do you really think God is not wise enough or able to establish a way for mankind to "know the truth?"

As for myself, I know for sure God has established this way for I have followed this way and proved the teaching by receiving the truth directly from God.

What is it you are really searching for?

There is but one truth that portrays any existing reality. If a word does not accurately portray and define the reality, it is not truth. A word is proved to be truth or a lie by comparing the word to the reality that is experienced. When the reality is known and experienced, then and only then is a person able to speak truth of the reality in sure knowledge.

Religion offers speculation and imagination as do individuals who create their own mind with the words of fellow mankind.

If you desire to know the truth, then follow the way others have followed and gain sure knowledge of this truth. Prove the matter.