I am writing this to address some issues brought up about my missionary work for the Edenic Temple of Judeo-Christo Paganism. As many know, my work has been to the AB/Dl community. It has always been my intent to offer the hand of fellowship to them, to let the know Jesus loves them. The purpose of this essay is manifold; to address why I don’t insist that Infantilism is necessary a sin, and what my approach to this topic is.
First, it is important to define, what is and is not proper in the eyes of the Edenic Temple of Judeo-Christian Paganism. The Temple holds that the best relationships are ones that are monogamous in nature. We do not believe in promiscuity is either the best approach to sexual relationships, or the healthiest in terms of keeping away deadly S.T.D’s.
We do believe that homosexual and heterosexual relationships that are monogamous are the model to follow. This precludes any behavior, whether it is monogamous or otherwise, that harms others or infringes on their rights. Such practices would include bestiality, necrophilia, pedophilia and other implicitly aggressive or violating practices.
This being so, we do NOT condemn cross-dressing, transvestvism or any other sexual activity that occurs in the context of a heterosexual or homosexual, monogamous relationship.
This being so, we do not AUTOMATICALLY recognize infantilism as being unethical or sinful. The Bible itself has very little to say on the subject it’s self. It does note that there is to be spiritual growth, and that one is to be transformed, spiritually as one grows in G_d. However, for the specific act it says nothing. The Contemporary Testament, which pertains to today, says only that we have the right to “Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness”. As such, it would seem to imply that if this is one way for a person to pursue happiness, more power to them.
A perusal of the laws of the United States of America, from which the Contemporary Testament originated, does not have any law or criminal penalty tied to the wearing of adult sized infant clothes or diapers. It does cover theft, murder, pedophilia and rape. The Temple is in complete agreement with the laws of the United States of America as such.
Nor is their any mention, positive or negative, in the Ten Commandments in the Old Testament. Therefore, one who would practice infantilism is not condemned by Yahweh, the World Creator.
In the New Testament, there are some positive aspects to being childlike related. For instance: 1 Peter 2:2 2”: Like newborn babies, crave pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow up in your salvation.” Here the believer is encouraged to behave, in the spiritual sense, like an infant desiring to nurse. Notice it does not condemn this attitude, nor does the Apostle say those with that attitude is. Again in Mathew 11:25-29, Jesus uses the image of children or being child like in a positive manner: 25 At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. 26Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure. 27"All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him. 28"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.” If being child like, and by extension, infantilism is evil, why does Jesus himself refer to G-d as “Abba”, a term different then the one the Jews used for reference to G_d? Abba is the phrase that a small Jewish child in Jesus’ time would address their father. The nearest English version would be “Papa” and “Daddy”. See http://www.dominicos.org/predicacion/ej ... file43.htm. The Apostle Paul himself says in Romans 8:15 : For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship And by him we cry, "Abba, Father. If Paul and Jesus find it perfectly ok to refer to G-d as “Papa” and “Daddy”, then why should a person who likes to act like a child sometimes be considered evil? In fact it is the very Spirit of G-d that makes us respond like a child to G-d : Galatians 4:6 “Because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, "Abba, Father.". In fact, the idea of being a child in regards to G_d is mentioned ten times in the New Testament: John 1:12 , John 11:52 , Romans 8:21, Romans 8:21, Philippians 2:15 , 1 John 2:28 , 1 John 3:1, 1 John 3:2 , 1 John 3:10 , 1 John 5:2 .
If infantilism is a sin, Where is the verse that says so? In fact, there are many expression of a child like or infantile attitude in the New Testament, from the terms used to describe our adoption by G_d, to the way Jesus referred to the Most High, to whom Jesus said we must be like if we wanted to be in the Kingdom of G_d. In fact Jesus said we had to imitate little children if we wanted to have any hope of obtaining the Kingdom of G_d : Luke 18:17 :”I tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it." In fact, the rejection of AB/Dl people would seem to be considered negative by Jesus by extension of this verse: Luke 9:48: “Then he said to them, "Whoever welcomes this little child in my name welcomes me; and whoever welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me. For he who is least among you all—he is the greatest.".
There is therefore no reason for non Ab/Dl people to reject us. We are all children of God in his eyes. Besides that which the Scripture does not forbid is open for all to do>Let us remember that G_d is our Heavenly Papa and receive AB/Dl people with a welcoming spirit.
Full Version: A Scriptural Defense of Infantalism
If infantilism is a sin, Where is the verse that says so?
I said it is a disorder. Since you couldnt get around that, you decide to misinterpret Scripture instead. WHat's worse, you use it as a defense of an obvious disorder. To think the statements you refer to were meant to keep people in diapers is nothin short of insane.
Then again, a disorder is as a disorder does.
Again, you dont hate the person with a disorder, you try to heal them. Jesus never told an ill person to stay the way they were, because it was normal..He healed them. Take the hint.
truthseeker
I said it is a disorder. Since you couldnt get around that, you decide to misinterpret Scripture instead. WHat's worse, you use it as a defense of an obvious disorder. To think the statements you refer to were meant to keep people in diapers is nothin short of insane.
Then again, a disorder is as a disorder does.
Again, you dont hate the person with a disorder, you try to heal them. Jesus never told an ill person to stay the way they were, because it was normal..He healed them. Take the hint.
truthseeker
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If infantilism is a sin, Where is the verse that says so?
I said it is a disorder. Since you couldnt get around that, you decide to misinterpret Scripture instead. WHat's worse, you use it as a defense of an obvious disorder. To think the statements you refer to were meant to keep people in diapers is nothin short of insane.
Then again, a disorder is as a disorder does.
Again, you dont hate the person with a disorder, you try to heal them. Jesus never told an ill person to stay the way they were, because it was normal..He healed them. Take the hint.
truthseeker
I said it is a disorder. Since you couldnt get around that, you decide to misinterpret Scripture instead. WHat's worse, you use it as a defense of an obvious disorder. To think the statements you refer to were meant to keep people in diapers is nothin short of insane.
Then again, a disorder is as a disorder does.
Again, you dont hate the person with a disorder, you try to heal them. Jesus never told an ill person to stay the way they were, because it was normal..He healed them. Take the hint.
truthseeker
Ahhh...but you miss the point. Most of them dont feel they NEED to be healed. In other words, they don't consider themselves sick! I don't remember Jesus ever healing healthy people. Please cite a Scripture where Jesus healed someone healthy or healed someone who didn't seek it from Him.
If you hold the view that people who are not sick but live differently then you do need to be healed, then can I heal you of your narrow minded, conservative view? After all Jesus came to heal, and you need it, brother. Your narrow definition and obvious idolatory of the DSM has made you ill, and in needing of healing and repentance.
After all, no one made you the judge of whom is sick and whom is not. Jesus himself healed those WANTED to be healed.
I have no problem helpin an AB/DL person who wants out of it. But I am not going to automatically assume they need it, as you do.
No, you missed my point. Beleivers have freedom to live their lives, as long as it dosen't violate G_d's will, as revealed in the OT, New Testament and the Contemporary Testament. Since you are unable to even find ONE verse that supports your view, from either of the testaments, we can olnly conclude that G_d dosen't condemn it.
From there, we can also conclude your remarks are based on ignorance and lack of knowledge of the diversity of people. I still challenge you to find ONE SCRIPTURE, from either of the Three Testaments that says it's wrong.
As for being abnormal, your abnormal to me. But I have learned to tolerate people and not to paint them with a broad brush. Ieven tolerate the vicious attacks of people like you, and your constant denigration of us.
the very definitnion of a disorder is that often times the person is so deep into the disorder they cant get themselves to even want help. Look at the addict. MAny times they dont want help, yet you would call that normal behavior? Come now, your defenses are shallow drivel at best. WHat's getting you heated is that you cant get around logic, which is why you start new thread after new thread.
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Please stop throwing red herring arguments out, and using the logic fallacy of the straw man attack.
You know what my position is. You know what, as you pointed out, is the challenge you face on a RELIGIOUS website. Either take up the gauntlet, and lay out your reasons for your position, or admit your position is simply based on your own fears,biases and arrogance. Come down off your high horse for a change.
Or is it you can not lay out a detailed, scriptural based argument? I am starting to lean that way.
As you pointed out this is a RELIGIOUS site. We all share the common ground of religious beleifs. You and I, seemingly share beleif in the Old Testament and the New Testament. Therefore, show me in either book where it condemns the practice. If you can't do that, I am afraid I will just have to put you down as an angry, biased person speaking out of deep seated fear and resistance to change and diversity. I'll understand if you just admit you can't deal with a world that dosen't fit your little box.
That's not new. But things will NEVER go back to how they were. The days when str8 society could rule unchallenged is OVER! You can't, because we won't let you. Your choices as I see it is to either wall yourself off from a diverse and changing world, or get used to it.
You know what my position is. You know what, as you pointed out, is the challenge you face on a RELIGIOUS website. Either take up the gauntlet, and lay out your reasons for your position, or admit your position is simply based on your own fears,biases and arrogance. Come down off your high horse for a change.
Or is it you can not lay out a detailed, scriptural based argument? I am starting to lean that way.
As you pointed out this is a RELIGIOUS site. We all share the common ground of religious beleifs. You and I, seemingly share beleif in the Old Testament and the New Testament. Therefore, show me in either book where it condemns the practice. If you can't do that, I am afraid I will just have to put you down as an angry, biased person speaking out of deep seated fear and resistance to change and diversity. I'll understand if you just admit you can't deal with a world that dosen't fit your little box.
That's not new. But things will NEVER go back to how they were. The days when str8 society could rule unchallenged is OVER! You can't, because we won't let you. Your choices as I see it is to either wall yourself off from a diverse and changing world, or get used to it.
[quote="truthseeker"]the very definitnion of a disorder is that often times the person is so deep into the disorder they cant get themselves to even want help.
Sounds like a perfect definition of yourself, truthseeker. Your so deep into your desire to keep the world in your little box, that when it becomes messy, you want to clean it up so you can return to your neat little world.
Your unable to admit that though. Because, as you said above, your so far into it, you've been so well trained, that you are more or less brainwashed. This narrowness of mind enslaves you to a worldview that can't accept the differences that make the world a great place.
I'm not even talking about disagreeing with my religious views. what I am talking about is the fact you seem to be in deep denial of all the different kinds of people G_d has created. I suppose allthough G_d made humans in every skin hue, gave them hundreds of different languages, hundreds of different cultures,-despite the overwhelming fact that G_d seems to like diversity, you seem to be saying G_d did something wrong when he created gay folks and AB/DL folks. Why is that?
One word: Fear. Accepting us as your equals would mean you might become vulnerable, and have cherished biases challenged. Many people will take the route you do to simplify there world, which is to stereotype people and condemn whole groups and classess of people. All it disply as is your almost insufferable ignorance and arrogance, IMHO.
Sounds like a perfect definition of yourself, truthseeker. Your so deep into your desire to keep the world in your little box, that when it becomes messy, you want to clean it up so you can return to your neat little world.
Your unable to admit that though. Because, as you said above, your so far into it, you've been so well trained, that you are more or less brainwashed. This narrowness of mind enslaves you to a worldview that can't accept the differences that make the world a great place.
I'm not even talking about disagreeing with my religious views. what I am talking about is the fact you seem to be in deep denial of all the different kinds of people G_d has created. I suppose allthough G_d made humans in every skin hue, gave them hundreds of different languages, hundreds of different cultures,-despite the overwhelming fact that G_d seems to like diversity, you seem to be saying G_d did something wrong when he created gay folks and AB/DL folks. Why is that?
One word: Fear. Accepting us as your equals would mean you might become vulnerable, and have cherished biases challenged. Many people will take the route you do to simplify there world, which is to stereotype people and condemn whole groups and classess of people. All it disply as is your almost insufferable ignorance and arrogance, IMHO.
Ah, the old phobia maneuver. Was wondering how long it would take. Sorry, doesnt wash though. So youre telling me God created children with birth defects to be "normal"? You worship a cruel God my friend.
Beside, I dont understandyour post in the light that you have already admitted elsewhere that it is a disorder.
You keep yourself in bondage by denying what really is, and you keep healing from taking place. Your semantics are even weaker than usual.
In your view, Jesus should have let the lepers and the lame and blind be, after all, thats howGod created them, right? What a twisted view of the mercy and love of God. How sad.
truthseeker
Beside, I dont understandyour post in the light that you have already admitted elsewhere that it is a disorder.
You keep yourself in bondage by denying what really is, and you keep healing from taking place. Your semantics are even weaker than usual.
In your view, Jesus should have let the lepers and the lame and blind be, after all, thats howGod created them, right? What a twisted view of the mercy and love of God. How sad.
truthseeker
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Ah, the old phobia maneuver. Was wondering how long it would take. Sorry, doesnt wash though. So youre telling me God created children with birth defects to be "normal"? You worship a cruel God my friend.
Beside, I dont understandyour post in the light that you have already admitted elsewhere that it is a disorder.
You keep yourself in bondage by denying what really is, and you keep healing from taking place. Your semantics are even weaker than usual.
In your view, Jesus should have let the lepers and the lame and blind be, after all, thats howGod created them, right? What a twisted view of the mercy and love of God. How sad.
O geeze. surely tell me that you can't see a difference between leposy and lameness and blindness and sexuality?
Let me make it plain. The people with leoprosy sought out Jesus for healing. The leper DIDN'T WANT TO BE A LEPER. The blind person DID NOT WANT TO BE BLIND. The lame DID NOT WANT TO BE BLIND. There conditions made it so they could not participate in the life of their community. It made them unable to work for a living and isolated them BECAUSE OF IT!
Do you want to be cured of your sexuality? My guess would be no. Why not? I am sure you would say that it dosen't seperate you from the life of your community, nor does it keep you from working.
An illness or disorder, A TRUE ONE, disrupts the persons ABILITY to participate in the life of their community at large. A Schizophrenic DoSE NOTwant to hear voices or hallucinate. It makes it damn near impossible to hold a job, have relationships, e.t.c. A person with Bipolar in the same manner DOSE NOT WANT to have modd swings, they don't want to be delusional, e.t.c. Why? Simply because these DISORDERS keep them from participating in basic life activities.
Guess what? It dosen't me. I go shopping, I have friends, heck, I even have potential dates. Yes, it's true we DO DATE. I even have had girlfriends! And you know what? They knew baout it. There have been people MARRIED FOR MANY YEARS who are an AB or a DL.
The only thing that makes things difficult is people like YOURS ATTITUDES! If you would judge us by our character, and not what we do in the privacy of our bedrooms, you'd see were no more sick then the general population.
Let me tell you something, we havre NO MORE issues then YOU "NORMAL" PEOPLE DO! Ask any therapist (yes, I have one0 and they will tell you that there is NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO CHANGE IT! I can no more decide not to be attracted to what I am, then you can decide to become a homosexual or a homosexual a hetrosexual. Why in the world would I want to live a lie?
Isn't that the problem, really? We all demand people be something there NOT! You aren't an AB; you could NEVER be one! It isn't just eroticism, it involves emotions, love and affection. I feel for my potential pray/Mommy what you feel for your partner. I want to love her with all my heart and worship the ground she walks on.
It's NOT about sex. It's about who and what I am, within myself. It's about the way she looks at me, the way she holds me. It's about the way she talks to me, the way she bathes me, it's about lying next to her bed and having me hug her close to me. It's about a million things besides sex.
If I was just some horny person, I could have sex with ANY woman. But I want LOVE. For us that means that person who can love both sides of me, the one that loves me enough to feed me a bottle, the one who loves me enough to let me sit her lap and hug me.
I have had relationships that you would approve of. But what they lackedwas LOVE. I can't love someone who just wants me to go through the notions, because it is a life of WHO AND WHAT I Am, within myself. Iwon't live a lie for anyone.
Furthermore, God DOSEN'T WANT ME TO LIVE A LIE. LYING IS A SIN! I would besinning if I lies to the one I was with and withheld the TRUE ME from her. Just as you would be lying if you were in an AB/DL relationship and had a Mommy or Daddy in your life.
You DON'T know how we feel. What we do, we do out of LOVE. We LOVE the parent figures in our lives. Losing them is like losing your heart, or dying a slow death.
You can't POSSIBLE understand. You str8s have sex simply because your horny and you want to get off. You can bump uglies with anyone of the opposie sex, any female or male who wanders your way. I can't. I don't really enjoy normal sex; it isn't emotionally fullfilling. when I fight Ms. Right, it won't be because she is Ms. Right Now, like you str8's who marry and divorce in over half of marriages.
And why is it you str8's can't stay married? It's easy because all your concerned with is your lower members. You don't have a clue , for the majortiy of you, what love is. All your concerned with is having intercourse.
truthseeker
Beside, I dont understandyour post in the light that you have already admitted elsewhere that it is a disorder.
You keep yourself in bondage by denying what really is, and you keep healing from taking place. Your semantics are even weaker than usual.
In your view, Jesus should have let the lepers and the lame and blind be, after all, thats howGod created them, right? What a twisted view of the mercy and love of God. How sad.
O geeze. surely tell me that you can't see a difference between leposy and lameness and blindness and sexuality?
Let me make it plain. The people with leoprosy sought out Jesus for healing. The leper DIDN'T WANT TO BE A LEPER. The blind person DID NOT WANT TO BE BLIND. The lame DID NOT WANT TO BE BLIND. There conditions made it so they could not participate in the life of their community. It made them unable to work for a living and isolated them BECAUSE OF IT!
Do you want to be cured of your sexuality? My guess would be no. Why not? I am sure you would say that it dosen't seperate you from the life of your community, nor does it keep you from working.
An illness or disorder, A TRUE ONE, disrupts the persons ABILITY to participate in the life of their community at large. A Schizophrenic DoSE NOTwant to hear voices or hallucinate. It makes it damn near impossible to hold a job, have relationships, e.t.c. A person with Bipolar in the same manner DOSE NOT WANT to have modd swings, they don't want to be delusional, e.t.c. Why? Simply because these DISORDERS keep them from participating in basic life activities.
Guess what? It dosen't me. I go shopping, I have friends, heck, I even have potential dates. Yes, it's true we DO DATE. I even have had girlfriends! And you know what? They knew baout it. There have been people MARRIED FOR MANY YEARS who are an AB or a DL.
The only thing that makes things difficult is people like YOURS ATTITUDES! If you would judge us by our character, and not what we do in the privacy of our bedrooms, you'd see were no more sick then the general population.
Let me tell you something, we havre NO MORE issues then YOU "NORMAL" PEOPLE DO! Ask any therapist (yes, I have one0 and they will tell you that there is NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO CHANGE IT! I can no more decide not to be attracted to what I am, then you can decide to become a homosexual or a homosexual a hetrosexual. Why in the world would I want to live a lie?
Isn't that the problem, really? We all demand people be something there NOT! You aren't an AB; you could NEVER be one! It isn't just eroticism, it involves emotions, love and affection. I feel for my potential pray/Mommy what you feel for your partner. I want to love her with all my heart and worship the ground she walks on.
It's NOT about sex. It's about who and what I am, within myself. It's about the way she looks at me, the way she holds me. It's about the way she talks to me, the way she bathes me, it's about lying next to her bed and having me hug her close to me. It's about a million things besides sex.
If I was just some horny person, I could have sex with ANY woman. But I want LOVE. For us that means that person who can love both sides of me, the one that loves me enough to feed me a bottle, the one who loves me enough to let me sit her lap and hug me.
I have had relationships that you would approve of. But what they lackedwas LOVE. I can't love someone who just wants me to go through the notions, because it is a life of WHO AND WHAT I Am, within myself. Iwon't live a lie for anyone.
Furthermore, God DOSEN'T WANT ME TO LIVE A LIE. LYING IS A SIN! I would besinning if I lies to the one I was with and withheld the TRUE ME from her. Just as you would be lying if you were in an AB/DL relationship and had a Mommy or Daddy in your life.
You DON'T know how we feel. What we do, we do out of LOVE. We LOVE the parent figures in our lives. Losing them is like losing your heart, or dying a slow death.
You can't POSSIBLE understand. You str8s have sex simply because your horny and you want to get off. You can bump uglies with anyone of the opposie sex, any female or male who wanders your way. I can't. I don't really enjoy normal sex; it isn't emotionally fullfilling. when I fight Ms. Right, it won't be because she is Ms. Right Now, like you str8's who marry and divorce in over half of marriages.
And why is it you str8's can't stay married? It's easy because all your concerned with is your lower members. You don't have a clue , for the majortiy of you, what love is. All your concerned with is having intercourse.
truthseeker
you just dont seem to get it, that it is a mental disorder, of your emotional growth in that circumstance frozen at an earlier level. It is NOT normal development. If it was, we'd all still be in diapers and baby clothes.
Oh, and Jesus healed Simon's mother-in-law and the paralytic lowered thru the roof without those people asking for it, others interceded on their behalf, like you could be doing.
truthseeker
Oh, and Jesus healed Simon's mother-in-law and the paralytic lowered thru the roof without those people asking for it, others interceded on their behalf, like you could be doing.
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you just dont seem to get it, that it is a mental disorder, of your emotional growth in that circumstance frozen at an earlier level. It is NOT normal development. If it was, we'd all still be in diapers and baby clothes.
Oh, and Jesus healed Simon's mother-in-law and the paralytic lowered thru the roof without those people asking for it, others interceded on their behalf, like you could be doing.
truthseeker
Oh, and Jesus healed Simon's mother-in-law and the paralytic lowered thru the roof without those people asking for it, others interceded on their behalf, like you could be doing.
truthseeker
I disagree. I am a pretty mature person. I pay me rent, work, and do mature, adult things most of the time.
Don't you see I am both? I didn't sacrafice or choose one over the other. Besides, it's a great sttress reliever. i suggest you try it.
I bet your wife would think your really cute in a pair of Winnie the Pooh shortalls
Heck, your wife might think your truly sexy in em' Give it a try. Geez, give yourself a break. Can't you for once try being more then a drone of society?
I say that in Christian love. Man, you str8's are soooo uptight. No wonder you make the world so miserable! I guess if I was always so uptight and stressed out, we might decide to kill each other like you guys do!
I doubt it's your bag, but who knows? Besides, it's fun. Remember that, fun? Doing things, not for gain, not to make money, but just for the heck of it? Sure you do. Give yourself permission to enjoy life and to be HAPPY.
I always wonder how str8's can beleive in Heaven, when it seems they try so hard to make life Hell down here. It's real easy for me to beleive in Heaven, because I have been there, here on Earth. I guess you'll just have to take my word for it.
youre such a liar...first it is something that is you, that is so serious you want to use Scripture to defend it (shhesh!), now its just for fun?
Again, you use drivel to avoid another direct Scripture reference
Also, you know nothing about me..how do you know Im straight..ASSumptions are a terrible thing...maybe I am, maybe Im not..you dont know now do you
SO disagreeing with you and calling a spade a spade makes me all stressed and uptight..what a stupid statement..again you talk in nonsense
I need no permission from you to decide anything...
SO youre gay?
You state, "I always wonder how str8's can beleive in Heaven, when it seems they try so hard to make life Hell down here. It's real easy for me to beleive in Heaven, because I have been there, here on Earth. I guess you'll just have to take my word for it."
Idiotic doesnt even begin to describe that one. Here's a dollar, buy a clue
truthseeker
Again, you use drivel to avoid another direct Scripture reference
Also, you know nothing about me..how do you know Im straight..ASSumptions are a terrible thing...maybe I am, maybe Im not..you dont know now do you
SO disagreeing with you and calling a spade a spade makes me all stressed and uptight..what a stupid statement..again you talk in nonsense
I need no permission from you to decide anything...
SO youre gay?
You state, "I always wonder how str8's can beleive in Heaven, when it seems they try so hard to make life Hell down here. It's real easy for me to beleive in Heaven, because I have been there, here on Earth. I guess you'll just have to take my word for it."
Idiotic doesnt even begin to describe that one. Here's a dollar, buy a clue
truthseeker
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youre such a liar...first it is something that is you, that is so serious you want to use Scripture to defend it (shhesh!), now its just for fun?
Again, you use drivel to avoid another direct Scripture reference
Also, you know nothing about me..how do you know Im straight..ASSumptions are a terrible thing...maybe I am, maybe Im not..you dont know now do you
SO disagreeing with you and calling a spade a spade makes me all stressed and uptight..what a stupid statement..again you talk in nonsense
I need no permission from you to decide anything...
SO youre gay?
You state, "I always wonder how str8's can beleive in Heaven, when it seems they try so hard to make life Hell down here. It's real easy for me to beleive in Heaven, because I have been there, here on Earth. I guess you'll just have to take my word for it."
Idiotic doesnt even begin to describe that one. Here's a dollar, buy a clue
truthseeker
Again, you use drivel to avoid another direct Scripture reference
Also, you know nothing about me..how do you know Im straight..ASSumptions are a terrible thing...maybe I am, maybe Im not..you dont know now do you
SO disagreeing with you and calling a spade a spade makes me all stressed and uptight..what a stupid statement..again you talk in nonsense
I need no permission from you to decide anything...
SO youre gay?
You state, "I always wonder how str8's can beleive in Heaven, when it seems they try so hard to make life Hell down here. It's real easy for me to beleive in Heaven, because I have been there, here on Earth. I guess you'll just have to take my word for it."
Idiotic doesnt even begin to describe that one. Here's a dollar, buy a clue
truthseeker
Truthy baby, it is both., You ever hear a thing being both ways? Dude, it is. It is fun.
No, I use str8's to describe the "normal" people.
As for you being gay, well cool if you are. In that case your boyfriend would like it maybe. Who knows.
You ever hear that things are not either or but both/and? And if your gay, but isn't that kettle calling the pot black? I mean I agree homosexuality isn't wrong, but dude, it now makes sense.
I think it is time you came out of the closet, truthseeker.
again, you dont know if I am or Im not..just making a point
as usual I caught you in a logic checkmate and you need to retreat off of your statement yet again...are you really that confused???
truthseeker
as usual I caught you in a logic checkmate and you need to retreat off of your statement yet again...are you really that confused???
truthseeker
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again, you dont know if I am or Im not..just making a point
as usual I caught you in a logic checkmate and you need to retreat off of your statement yet again...are you really that confused???
truthseeker
as usual I caught you in a logic checkmate and you need to retreat off of your statement yet again...are you really that confused???
truthseeker
So..are you or are you not, truthseekr? Come on, it's too late in the game for you to hide your cards. Play them or fold. Are you gay and if so is that the reason you have a problem with us? And if not, then is THAT the reason?
So are you opening the closet a crack for us, truthseeker? Or is this just a bluff?
no its to prove a point..to show you how erronneous your rants are..and again you avoid another checkmate
truthseeker
truthseeker
("truthseeker":d4d4e)
no its to prove a point..to show you how erronneous your rants are..and again you avoid another checkmate
truthseeker
truthseeker
"normality" sucks. Prove me wrong.
All i have to do is pick up a newspaper to prove that. Anyone not brainwashed knows how you have killed or destroyed anybody or anything good.
G_d save me from some Christian people, and "normal" folks.
My Definition of Normality:
A pathalogical condition of self centeredness, hard heartedness, desire for conformity and power and control. Those suffering from this disorder are unquenchable in their need to control everyone else and to destroy non conformity in what ever form it shows it's self.
Normal society:
a society of brainwashed slaves who walk through life blind to the problems of those they disdain and their suffering 2) a collection of theives who enrich themselves off the misery and oppression of others 3)
A pack of vicious animals who band together to use oppression, violence and cruelty to force others to kowtow to their desires
your definition itself is erroneous and self-serving, full of ASSUmptions and nothing substantive..you really think that noone is happy unless they are in diapers!?!?!?
No matter.. lets end this thread, its going in circles anyway. Lets agree to disagree..lets just keep the discussion of your Edenic religion going, it seems most interesting.
Hopefully, we can agree to disagree, and to find soem common ground.
truthseeker
No matter.. lets end this thread, its going in circles anyway. Lets agree to disagree..lets just keep the discussion of your Edenic religion going, it seems most interesting.
Hopefully, we can agree to disagree, and to find soem common ground.
truthseeker
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