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I noticed that there was a certifacte for Jedi Knight. I was wondering if anyone is following the Jedi faith?
There are over 50 online ULC’s operating independently away from Modesto. As we spoke to Modesto last week, we were reminded that it was Kirby’s vision and his brilliant aid Br. Daniel, who has given us this mantel of opportunity to take this church across the threshold into the 21 Century. We owe them reverence and the gratitude of our heart.
The ULC Monastery/ulc.org is the largest congregation of the Universal Life Church out side of Modesto. As Martin Luther held …we are not bound by Rome, but guided by the need to search for the creator …of our independent conscious.
Hence, the reason for all the web chatter is that we feel that there must be some accountability as to where are the good works files which should support the 14 point requirement of the IRS to be a church. That was not happening here at ulc.org and we venture to say that such was not apparent with any of the other large ULC sites... None of the major ULC sites are tax exempt. As to being “authorized-or-sanctioned”…. only means that we had to rely on Modesto’s record keeping and pay a fee for the items sold here and then having to rely on Modesto to send to our newly ordained ministers which is too long of a process.
The Monastery being the biggest of all congregations has stepped up to the plate to show leadership. Leadership by example and accountability because we know that we can do better.
We chose not to wash our dirty laundry in public. Hence, it was Modesto who hurriedly rushed to its “authorized-or-sanctioned” announcements which really has no effect on the operations of the monastery.org and ulc.org.
We had and still have the same legal standing as any religious institution in America. We are issuing Ordination Certificates and notarized Letters of Good Standing to all ministers in our data banks which date back to 2004. Thus, any request designated for Modesto, we will continue to fax to Modesto if we do not have a record of such.
In closing, we need your prayers not criticisms or hearsays of what somebody at Modesto said. We know where we are going and we think if you decide to leave and fellowship somewhere else…God’s speed, but do drop by from time to time as we know you will. The first national campaign is in the works. It is our hope that you’ll remember this autumn day that we met on our journey to Jericho.
Keep the faith,
A humble Jedi Master
Br. Martin
The ULC Monastery/ulc.org is the largest congregation of the Universal Life Church out side of Modesto. As Martin Luther held …we are not bound by Rome, but guided by the need to search for the creator …of our independent conscious.
Hence, the reason for all the web chatter is that we feel that there must be some accountability as to where are the good works files which should support the 14 point requirement of the IRS to be a church. That was not happening here at ulc.org and we venture to say that such was not apparent with any of the other large ULC sites... None of the major ULC sites are tax exempt. As to being “authorized-or-sanctioned”…. only means that we had to rely on Modesto’s record keeping and pay a fee for the items sold here and then having to rely on Modesto to send to our newly ordained ministers which is too long of a process.
The Monastery being the biggest of all congregations has stepped up to the plate to show leadership. Leadership by example and accountability because we know that we can do better.
We chose not to wash our dirty laundry in public. Hence, it was Modesto who hurriedly rushed to its “authorized-or-sanctioned” announcements which really has no effect on the operations of the monastery.org and ulc.org.
We had and still have the same legal standing as any religious institution in America. We are issuing Ordination Certificates and notarized Letters of Good Standing to all ministers in our data banks which date back to 2004. Thus, any request designated for Modesto, we will continue to fax to Modesto if we do not have a record of such.
In closing, we need your prayers not criticisms or hearsays of what somebody at Modesto said. We know where we are going and we think if you decide to leave and fellowship somewhere else…God’s speed, but do drop by from time to time as we know you will. The first national campaign is in the works. It is our hope that you’ll remember this autumn day that we met on our journey to Jericho.
Keep the faith,
A humble Jedi Master
Br. Martin
Jedi?
ooh, I want a fantasy title too.
I am the Run Tum Tugger, and my asst. is Grisabella.
and we wear these little fur coats and smoke catnip.
yo, skimbleshanks dude, whatz up?
ooh, I want a fantasy title too.
I am the Run Tum Tugger, and my asst. is Grisabella.
and we wear these little fur coats and smoke catnip.
yo, skimbleshanks dude, whatz up?
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We had and still have the same legal standing as any religious institution in America. We are issuing Ordination Certificates and notarized Letters of Good Standing to all ministers in our data banks which date back to 2004.
How does this work? What branch of the government records and officially recognizes whether an organization is a church or not? Are there government records designating what groups have "church" status?
How is the legal standing of the ULC decided? Or, for that matter, how is the legal standing of the Catholic church decided?
What is the legal name of this church? Is it "Universal Life Church"? Or maybe "Universal Life Church Monastery"?
I really like the new direction themonastery.org is going! Thanks!
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But. someone owns the rights to the jedi stuff.
when it gets big enoght to notice,
Lucas is going to want to sue for stealing his ideas.
You can not take someones ideas and make it free for all. That is plagerism and theft...
when it gets big enoght to notice,
Lucas is going to want to sue for stealing his ideas.
You can not take someones ideas and make it free for all. That is plagerism and theft...
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But. someone owns the rights to the jedi stuff.
when it gets big enoght to notice,
Lucas is going to want to sue for stealing his ideas.
You can not take someones ideas and make it free for all. That is plagerism and theft...
when it gets big enoght to notice,
Lucas is going to want to sue for stealing his ideas.
You can not take someones ideas and make it free for all. That is plagerism and theft...
Not to tout, but we have communicated w/ George some time ago. It is not the focus of this journey….crumbling the walls of Jericho is our mission. They are in our sights, then and only then,... we believe will you understand the real power of The Force.
Keep the faith,
a humble Jedi Master
("Jason":eeb96)
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We had and still have the same legal standing as any religious institution in America. We are issuing Ordination Certificates and notarized Letters of Good Standing to all ministers in our data banks which date back to 2004.
How does this work? What branch of the government records and officially recognizes whether an organization is a church or not? Are there government records designating what groups have "church" status?
How is the legal standing of the ULC decided? Or, for that matter, how is the legal standing of the Catholic church decided?
What is the legal name of this church? Is it "Universal Life Church"? Or maybe "Universal Life Church Monastery"?
I really like the new direction themonastery.org is going! Thanks!
Actually it's all pretty flimsy stuff... the only government office that really tries to tackle it is the IRS and that's only for the tax exempt status... they have a list of criteria that they use as a guide and any combination will pretty much get the organization recognized... they even have a declaimer that states the names and titles are used because of a common understanding of them but that each religious organization can themselves and their clergy whatever they want.
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But. someone owns the rights to the jedi stuff.
when it gets big enoght to notice,
Lucas is going to want to sue for stealing his ideas.
You can not take someones ideas and make it free for all. That is plagerism and theft...
when it gets big enoght to notice,
Lucas is going to want to sue for stealing his ideas.
You can not take someones ideas and make it free for all. That is plagerism and theft...
Not to tout, but we have communicated w/ George some time ago. It is not the focus of this journey….crumbling the walls of Jericho is our mission. They are in our sights, then and only then,... we believe will you understand the real power of The Force.
Keep the faith,
a humble Jedi Master
Watch, luca's legal dept. now says it isn't like they thought it was going to be. I forsee a cease and desist order coming from luca's lawyers really soon. i.e. jedi go bye bye...
yep, either that or stiff royalty penalties!
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There are several Jedi Websites, two associated with ULC and another that members are encouraged to become Ordained with ULC.
The Jedi Sanctuary ( A ULC congregation)
http://www.jedisanctuary.org/about.php
Universal Faith Fellowship (California Jedi Assembly)
http://www.universalfaithfellowship.org/
The Temple of the Jedi Order
http://templeofthejediorder.org
The Jedi Sanctuary ( A ULC congregation)
http://www.jedisanctuary.org/about.php
Universal Faith Fellowship (California Jedi Assembly)
http://www.universalfaithfellowship.org/
The Temple of the Jedi Order
http://templeofthejediorder.org
precisely who are we to poke fun at the jedi religion....arrogance at it's best. Besides they have really cool robes. you christian wannabes have to settle for one color with a white color unless your the pope, then you can make a fashion statement. reds whites, gold and massive bliiiiing 
leave the jedi master alone.
leave the jedi master alone.
we catholics get some nice robes too. and being a benetictine I also get a habit, and get to wear sandles.
p.s. never smoke cigars in a habit, now I have a bad habit and need to get it repaired...
hmm, me in my holy habit.
p.s. never smoke cigars in a habit, now I have a bad habit and need to get it repaired...
hmm, me in my holy habit.
we catholics get some nice robes too. and being a benetictine I also get a habit, and get to wear sandles.
p.s. never smoke cigars in a habit, now I have a bad habit and need to get it repaired...
hmm, me in my holy habit.
p.s. never smoke cigars in a habit, now I have a bad habit and need to get it repaired...
hmm, me in my holy habit.
we catholics get some nice robes too. and being a benedictine I also get a habit, and get to wear sandles.
p.s. never smoke cigars in a habit, now I have a bad habit and need to get it repaired...
hmm, me in my holy habit.
p.s. never smoke cigars in a habit, now I have a bad habit and need to get it repaired...
hmm, me in my holy habit.
A hypnotherapist is good for that habit, and very very effective to.
A hypnotherapist is good for that habit, and very very effective to.
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But. someone owns the rights to the jedi stuff.
when it gets big enoght to notice,
Lucas is going to want to sue for stealing his ideas.
You can not take someones ideas and make it free for all. That is plagerism and theft...
when it gets big enoght to notice,
Lucas is going to want to sue for stealing his ideas.
You can not take someones ideas and make it free for all. That is plagerism and theft...
What sue the biggest fans for free advertising? I wonder how much money Lucas makes over toy sales to his disciples. I wish I had thought of it, I would have sold him the idea.
I think it possible that the guy may even like that his movies have created this much of a following. I wonder if Gene Rodenbury would have liked to see the federation turned into a religious group buying Kirks reading glasses and phasers always set to stun.
Not to belittle the devote but just a thought on the infringement idea with a financial benefits of allowing piracy and cloning.
I'm relatively sure that if I wrote a book and someone based a religion off of it, I would be very flattered. Just saying.
jediism is like harry potterism, every kid now wants to be a witch or wizard.
good flood the religion with fresh converts ahhha hahahahah....ahem sorry voldemort voice got the best of me.
do you think we could get a sith lord certificate?????? *ahem* i mean in the name of balance and all....
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do you think we could get a sith lord certificate?????? *ahem* i mean in the name of balance and all....
The ULC abides by two guiding principals:
-Do That Which is Right
-As It Harms None, Do As Thou Wilt
While it could be argued that the Sith have the right intention for the Republic (certainly for themselves), their actions run in direct contrast to the second principal. The Sith indiscriminately harm innocent people and Jedi to achieve their success, and for this reason we will not allow the Sith to have their own certificate.
Hope that clears it up
isn't theat letting a few disgruntled siths ruin the whole batch? can i atleast have a red light sabre???? 
Oh come on Vader rules But on a more serious note the teaching of the Jedi are not bad ones so who are we to say someone should not fallow them?
But on a more serious note the teaching of the Jedi are not bad ones so who are we to say someone should not fallow them?
yes they do have good tidings i just want a cool name like darth sideous!! oh and a red light sabre
the sith were all about self development, and living thier life, and to the underworld with everything else. the jedi were machines with lightsabers, or they were expected to be, and one of them had a temper tantrum they were killed by a team of jedi. several jedi needed to destroy one sith lord all of them masters...hmmm sounds like the ministers on this forum have spiritual lightsaber envy...yes lightsaber envy
so ... i can have a red light sabre, and a cool name? yeahahah buddy!! 
(i have been looking for a reason to use that one!)
(i have been looking for a reason to use that one!)
Greetings,
I am Jedi Padawan Cody Dalton. I am making this post to encourage knowledge of what Jediism truly is, because the posts in this topic have worried me.
Let's take it from the top. Geoge Lucas did not create Jediism, he created Star Wars. Just the same that Hollywood did not create Vampirism, they created Count Dracula. Jediism is a mixture of different philosophies and belief of many religions. Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism and many others. George Lucas got the ideas together to create Star Wars from the religion and mythology expert Joseph Campbell. If people started going around calling themselves Obi-Wan Kenobi, Qui-Gon Jinn, Yoda and others or started creating churches named Naboo, Hoth, Mustafar and the likes, then he would have grounds for law suit.
Next, not all who follow Jediism and call themselves Jedi, wear robes. In fact, it is usually the more serious Jedi who realize that the reason the Jedi in Star Wars wore robes was because it was "in" to wear such things. Those of us who are serious about our path wear casual clothing to simply blend in, we are no more and no less important than anyone else, so we shouldn't dress like it.
Also, Jediism is not a fad. The philosophies and beliefs of Jediism existed long before Star Wars, long before George Lucas, long before most things you can think of. The only reason it is called Jediism is because George Lucas created Star Wars and brought those philosophies to the forefront through Jedi. We call ourselves Jedi because we take on the philosophies and beliefs of the Jedi, not because we use lightsabers, wear robes, jump 50 feet in the air or anything else of the likes. We have not gotten a chance to give our own reputation, so when people hear about Jedi, their first thought is Star Wars and lightsabers. In time, we will create our own reputation and will be recognized through that, instead of through Star Wars.
I am not upset at those who are confused about Jediism, it is alright. What I suggest is that you all talk to several Jedi and check out the Jedi orders online. If you make judgements without doing so, your opening yourself up to be proven wrong. If you make a very educted assessment of the Jedi way, you will likely understand why we choose this path. When you think about Jedi, think about people who follow a code that leads them to be all they can be and use what they have to serve others, without the need for reward.
May the Force be with you.
Jedi Padawan Cody
I am Jedi Padawan Cody Dalton. I am making this post to encourage knowledge of what Jediism truly is, because the posts in this topic have worried me.
Let's take it from the top. Geoge Lucas did not create Jediism, he created Star Wars. Just the same that Hollywood did not create Vampirism, they created Count Dracula. Jediism is a mixture of different philosophies and belief of many religions. Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism and many others. George Lucas got the ideas together to create Star Wars from the religion and mythology expert Joseph Campbell. If people started going around calling themselves Obi-Wan Kenobi, Qui-Gon Jinn, Yoda and others or started creating churches named Naboo, Hoth, Mustafar and the likes, then he would have grounds for law suit.
Next, not all who follow Jediism and call themselves Jedi, wear robes. In fact, it is usually the more serious Jedi who realize that the reason the Jedi in Star Wars wore robes was because it was "in" to wear such things. Those of us who are serious about our path wear casual clothing to simply blend in, we are no more and no less important than anyone else, so we shouldn't dress like it.
Also, Jediism is not a fad. The philosophies and beliefs of Jediism existed long before Star Wars, long before George Lucas, long before most things you can think of. The only reason it is called Jediism is because George Lucas created Star Wars and brought those philosophies to the forefront through Jedi. We call ourselves Jedi because we take on the philosophies and beliefs of the Jedi, not because we use lightsabers, wear robes, jump 50 feet in the air or anything else of the likes. We have not gotten a chance to give our own reputation, so when people hear about Jedi, their first thought is Star Wars and lightsabers. In time, we will create our own reputation and will be recognized through that, instead of through Star Wars.
I am not upset at those who are confused about Jediism, it is alright. What I suggest is that you all talk to several Jedi and check out the Jedi orders online. If you make judgements without doing so, your opening yourself up to be proven wrong. If you make a very educted assessment of the Jedi way, you will likely understand why we choose this path. When you think about Jedi, think about people who follow a code that leads them to be all they can be and use what they have to serve others, without the need for reward.
May the Force be with you.
Jedi Padawan Cody
Hey! Don't mock. I was once a Jedi. But that was a long long time ago in a galaxy far far away.
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