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DW Suiter
I recommend all people genuinely interested in creating common bonds participate in the different forums. The forums can be a wonderful place to hear and learn what others are doing in their walk through this life.

I would also recommend a common thread that ties people together, to be the search for truth concerning "God" and life. It would be good for people to present to others their experiences with God in whatever manner.

I personally would enjoy input from others as to the "law" or "statutes" of God which I know as "principles." In other words, sharing with others what a person has learned.

In olden days it was described as a "love fest" where people came to gather to give and take the meat and bread of the conversations in the spirit of love and good will. With the advent of the Internet, it is possible to include and have involved, large numbers of people.

Of course every person should eat the bread and meat from heaven at home but in the principle of love, they can share with others what they have received.

"Divine Revelation" would be a good topic of conversation. Who has received this and what have they received?

We have a "God" known by many different names, who is the source of fulfillment for all mankind's needs. It would be more than interesting to hear from some who have had their spiritual needs met by God.

I am a simple man who had a dire need to know the truth many years ago. Having found the way to know the truth, I have followed this way for many, many, years. I have received a tremendous volume of the "word" from God and have much to give for those in need. I am not arrogant nor pompous but simply state truths I have come to know.

I am looking for others who are "brothers" in the true "brethren" of Christ to communicate with.

Scriptures declare the apostle Paul learned all things by direct revelation from God and was taught by none of mankind. Later, he presented himself to the other apostles and compared knowledge and understanding which was the same because God was the revelator to all.

This is how I have learned truth, by direct revelation from God. I would enjoy communicating with others who have asked and received this from God.

It would be good for persons to ofer their understanding and explanation of the diferent scriptures of the new testament. What they believe and from where their belief came from.

In the spirit of love and good will, with a strong desire to know truth, it is possible for many people to come together to "commune" in spirit with one another.

I have been ordained by God as a true minister of God; to minister the word of God as I have been taught. I do not attempt to cause people to believe but offer the truth for them to do with however they please. I do not argue, but discuss by reason, logic and principle.

I am not a religionist, not possessing the mind created by religions. But I adhere strongly to the principle of love of God and out of love give for those in need, what I possess in spiritual treasures. If I didn't I would not be in obedience to the first and greatest principle of God on which all other principles are built and agree with.

I am looking forward to relating with other kindred spirits wanting this type of commune/communication.
KOLT4JC
("DW Suiter":7d102)
"Devine Revelation" would be a good topic of conversation. Who has received this and what have they received?


I am looking for others who are "brothers" in the true "brethren" of Christ to communicate with.

I have been ordained by God as a true minister of God; to minister the word of God as I have been taught. I do not attempt to cause people to believe but offer the truth for them to do with however they please. I do not argue, but discuss by reason, logic and principle.

I am not a religionist, not possessing the mind created by religions. But I adhere strongly to the principle of love of God and out of love give for those in need, what I possess in spiritual treasures. If I didn't I would not be in obedience to the first and greatest principle of God on which all other principles are built and agree with.


I've read some of your posts and I do believe you've been given deep wisdom from GOD but...
do you believe it?

Do you believe the things you have claim to know as "the truth" or are you looking for agreement?

As I said DW Suiter, I believe you have deep wisdom.
Share it gently, as if it is water and the people are thirsty.

I know you know what you know...STOP telling people you know "something", and just tell them what you know!

Will it comfort them? Then tell them that ask for comfort!
Will it encourage them? Then tell them that need encouragement!
Will it cause them to love and stop judging? Tell them that feel hated!

DW, you have been created, called and taught so that you will strive to manifest as a Christ-like child of the Father of all life in the universe.
This truth I trust above all else!

It is the reason and purpose of salvation through The Christ.
It is the cause and the effect of The Spirit of Christ...
It is the alpha and the omega of the spirit of mankind.

To share this understanding is my constant and fervant prayer
DW Suiter
You used the word "gently" which is the approach I have taken.

Using other words such as "milk" and "meat" as reference, I have attempted to plant a few seeds to cause people to start thinking. An infant cannot "chew" a piece of meat.

I have presented principles in what I have said. Principles are the building blocks for all things, including the mind of Christ; the mind God creates.

The first principle of the greater principles of God is love. Not as mankind knows and defines love, but as God defines love. This love, is to give for the needs of others with no thought or expectation of anything in return. It is given with a strong desire to better another person's life. All remaining principles of God are built up on and agree with this principle at all times in all things.

The fulfilling of the promise of God is to teach these principles, one by one, until completion. Only when one is mastered is another given as a teaching.

These principles, when known, understood, and obeyed, create and structure the life God has promised to give mankind. No person may possess this life unless and until they possess knowledge and understanding of the principles/laws/statutes of God.

Only God writes/engraves this word in the inner parts of mankind, in the walls of the mind, in the part of the mind where this word from God is stored.

Only in and by this way is any person transformed by God; saved by God.

This "way of spirit" is the way of being inspired by the spirit from God which proceeds forth from the mouth of God to the one receiving. Because it is from God and not man it is named "Holy."

This, is the reality of receeiving the Holy Spirit from God.

This is the reality of receiving the Word of God from God.

But the vast majority of mankind do not believe this is possible because of the religious teachings and doctrines of man.

My message is simple. Trust God by trusting the promise of God. Have faith in God that God shall perform the works of promise. Seek God as previously taught and ask for the fulfillment of the promise.

This trust and this faith must not waver, and must be much more than mere belief. It must be expected as a sure thing. It must be sought in love for God and the greatness and divinity of God.

It must be done privately and while alone, for the world must be shut out of the mind in order to receive from God. All thoughts must be centered on God and this promise.

The mind must seek answers, must seek to know.

A newborn child of mankind, when hungry or thirsty, does not know how to ask or what to ask for. The child only knows discomfort or pain. The child cries out. And he is given food and drink. He does not know who or what he has been given. He only knows his hunger or thirst has been satisfied. He does not know who or what he is nor who or what his parents are.

Only with maturity and with the building up of the mind does the child eventualy learn who he is; who his parents are; learns to speak and ask.
The child expects his needs to be met by his parents for they have taught him they will always take care of his needs.

Only when the child is mature in knowledge and understanding, does the child begin to live his own life providing for himself, making his way through life.

It is similiar with the child of God, the newborn infant. All the child experiences is his need to know and understand being met. He does not know who or what he is nor who and what God is. Only in time, as he is raised up through the ages does he know who and what he is and who and what God is.

During the ages, he relies on God, his parent, to give for all of his needs. He is a Son and God is his Father. He never doubts his needs will be met.
He grows and matures in mind and spirit as a new creation of God. He is transformed by removing matter from the mind that is not truth of God and truth from God is placed in the mind.

However, I am speaking of reality, reality that exists now in this very moment. God is seen and known by this spirit received from God. For as is written, God is spirit. By knowing the mind of God a person knows God.

Do you think God is unable to have perfected this way? Do you really believe that by coming to God in love, and in faith and trust, anything can interfere with what God has ordained?

When a person is in communion with God in this way, in this love, there is no power able to interfere with this Father/Son relationship. Only when the person wavers in doubt and unbelief, when the mind returns to centering thoughts on matters of this world, is the relationship broken and the mind susceptable to thoughts and beliefs not of God.

I am continuing to speak of "the way" as taught by Jesus of Nazareth. The way followed by some of his disciples.

Jesus of Nazareth did not lie, nor was he issuing empty religious doctrine when he said; "Seek and you shall find; ask and it shall be given to you."

Every word he spoke referred to this existing reality of God and the receiving of the promise.

As I said, I am a simple man. I believed what was said. I did as he taught. I did seek and find, I did ask and receive.

To God this is a very simple matter. It is a way that has always existed for God has preordained what mankind shall be long ago. God has predetermined, man shall be created in the image of God, who is spirit.

In and by the spirit of and from God, man is created in this image, created in mind and spirit and the example of the perfect work of God is the man known as Jesus of Nazareth. He is the example of the work of God, the example of one who has received the promise. The disciples who followed and were transformed in this same way later declared; "Now we are the Sons of God." They decalred they had received equal portion with Jesus of Nazareth in all he received from God.

But as I asked before, who is able to believe this?

How long did it take for the disciples of Jesus of Nazareth to believe what he taught and enter into this way? If the truth is so easy to identify and receive, why didn't the religionists and the other people believe in him years ago?

This word contradicts the religious taachings and customs of mankind. Non-truth residing in the mind always rejects truth when it comes.

But in wisdom, Jesus of Nazareth did not ask his disciples to merely believe what he taught. He asked them to follow his teachings, then declared, if they did, they would know the truth.

The testaments present many words in regard to this "truth" and how these men received this truth from God.

The testaments present many words and teachings said to be from Jesus of Nazareth. Do they speak of the promise? Do they speak of how the promise is received? Do they speak of what God has promised to give?
Do they speak of these "gifts" from God and what they are?

It is said; "Those who worship God must do so in spirit and in truth." This is truth. But no man is able to do so until they receive this spirit and this truth from God. No person may name God "father" unless they are the "son." Unless God has fathered this person, by the seed from God, by the conception of the new person by this seed, this person is not of God and is not a child of God.

As is said; "Salvation is now." God saves man now while in the physical body, not when passing on from this body. Salvation by God is transformation by God.

This is milk. These are some of the basic principles that are the foundational teachings on which God builds when they are set in place.

If you love God, if you love the goodness of God, if you love the principles and statutes of God, you will keep them; you will respect God and love God for what God has given as a way of salvation; as a way to possess a new life.

Religions are not of God. They are created by mankind as a replacement for God and the reality of the promise of God. So it was in the day of Jesus of Nazareth and so it is now.

"Mankind" includes both male and female, for the physical body has no part in the creation of God the scriptures speak of. As is written, God created them "both" and called their name "Adam."

Both those of the male and female gender may become children of God referred to as "Son of God."

Every person of mankind is a son of someone. Only those born by the seed from God, raised by the seed/word from God, are the sons of God.

All others are the "bastards" as Paul proclaimed for the were united with fellow man and not God in mind and spirit.

"Woman" refers to fallen mankind, not the female gender.
KOLT4JC
("DW Suiter":663cf)
All others are the "bastards" as Paul proclaimed for the were united with fellow man and not God in mind and spirit.


I thought we were all born/created to be united, for a season, with the mind/spirit of our fellow man until we reach the knowlegde of our need for redemption.

Does that exempt some from bastardum?

I think not because there must first be the fall into darkeness before the search for the light of GOD's spirit/mind.

Who will not find the need for that light?
What has been created that can live without the creator?
DW Suiter
You stated:

"I thought we were all born/created to be united, for a season, with the mind/spirit of our fellow man until we reach the knowlegde of our need for redemption."

"Does that exempt some from bastardum?"

"I think not because there must first be the fall into darkeness before the search for the light of GOD's spirit/mind."

Response:

The spiritual death of mankind is the reason for the need of redemption. God has communicated to mankind, his need for redemption throughout the history of mankind through the word from true prophets and the Sons of God.

However, the way of redemption was never understood by mankind as a whole. As is written, mankind did not want to hear the truth and killed the prophets and later, the Sons of God.

When Jesus of Nazareth taught the truth concerning this way of salvation, it was recorded in the testaments of those who followed this way, which mankind has in his hands in this day and hour.

Mankind does not know nor understand the "evil one" is the mind and spirit within himself. The person he is as a type and kind beause he is a creation of fallen mankind in mind and spirit.

The "Redeemer" sent by God to redeem is the new mind and spirit created by God, born of God, within mankind, the new spirit body which is the spirit body of the Son of God. This "Holy" spirit, is the living word coming directly from God to the one able to receive. In doing so, this person receives the "Messiah" which is the same Redeemer, the Son of God, which is this Redeemer, the Christ, which is this Redeemer, and "Jesus" which is also this same Redeemer. This Redeemer is the "Saviour" sent by God to save mankind.

By way of salvation, each person is transformed into a new person, a new creation, created by God in the image of God, and God names this person "Son."

This, is the understanding of what was termed the "mystery of Christ in you." Those raised up by God become "Christ" the mature Son of God possessing the "fulness" of the spirit from God, or the "full measure."

It is the finished and completed work of God in creating the mind and spirit of Christ in mankind.

Mankind is wandering along his own ways through life oblivious to the life he could receive from God, now, at this very moment. He does so because there is no truth in his mind that reveals this reality to him for truth is not being taught in regards to these matters of God.

Because religionists have "watered down" with their word, the waters below, or "wormwood," the word of God found in scriptures by those who testified, it has no effect; it does not effect the change God desires. As a person reads what I write it is taken into the mind according to the understanding a person has stored away in regards to these words and matters I speak of.

As has been said, a person must become blind in order to see, and deaf in order to hear. He must die in order to live. Matters not understood by religionists. There must be an exchange of "an eye for an eye." Which is to stop seeing matters in one way and seeing them in another way. To stop seeing the matters of God as the religionists teach and to start seeing God in the reality God exists in.

God considers mankind as a "bride" or a place to place seed and bring forth children or offspring. If a person has not come to be by the Word/Seed from God, he is not a child of God and has been born out of wedlock with God, consequently, a "bastard." By transformation, he may become a child of God, with God as father and teacher.

Only the Sons of God receive the promise of God. When a person enters into and follows the way of salvation established by God, they are transformed into a child or Son of God. They are taken in or "adopted" by God, then transformed. These, in this way of Christ, are the little ones or "Christians" who when mature and are the finished workmanship of God, are Christ, the "elder" or mature Son of God.

Mankind is already in darkness and has been for a long time. They are in darkness because of what is called "darkened counsel" which refers to religious teachings that are void of truth, which is "light" which is the Living Word from the Living God written in them.

God alone saves. God alone establishes truth in the mind. Mankind by his false religious doctrines proclaims people are saved by uttering a few words they are told to say. They are not saved. No religion or religionist is able to save mankind. Even Jesus of nazareth "saved" no person. He taught the way for people to be saved by God. He did not save his disciples. They were saved by God when they decided to enter into and follow the way taught by Jesus of Nazareth.

As Jesus of Nazareth received the Holy Spirit from God so did they, as they declared, in equal portion with him in all he received. The substance of this is substance and matter of the spirit and mind of Christ and reason why they declared their selves to be the Sons of God. They were the truly saved by God. No person is saved by God unless they ener into and follow this very same way for God has established only one way in and by which mankind may be saved.

This is not being taught. Consequently none are entering in except the few who have truly sought God and have found the way and entered in.
Few have finished the way. Most fall to the wayside before the works of God are completed in them.

It is written; "When 'this' gospel is preached in all the world, then the end comes." In saying "this gospel" he referred to this way of salvation by God, the new and living way established by the Living God.

"This gospel" is not being "preached" or taught except by a few such as myself.

Every person must see and understand the process the disciples of Jesus of Nazareth endured, the transformation and salvation by God, is the very same process they must also endure. As they were "saved" so each person is saved by God.

Even the person known as the apostle Paul who was taught the way by a person other than Jesus of Nazareth. As is written, he was taught by no man, but by God all things were revealed to him.

It was the word he heard, concerning the way, that had the power to cause him to enter into and follow this way.

This same word remains but is not understood by the understanding it was given in long ago. It has been given new understandings by the realigionists. It has been interpreted in many different ways which is why man has so many religions, sects, and denominations, and all are based on mere belief, not sure knowledge of truth.

Religionists commit many errors among which is to worship the creation instead of the creator. The Sons of God are creations of God and God alone is creator.

A religionist is a creation of fellow religionists and is not the creation of God. Only God creates His creation. The creation of God is a creation of mind and spirit in mankind.

Having believed false teachings, millions of mankind pass on every year separated from God which they remain in. How much value does the true gospel have, if it leads people into a way in and by which they reiceve their life from God and dwell with the family of God when passing on from the physical?

It is God who proves all things to the person entering into and following this way. By receiving from God, knowledge, understanding and wisdom, the mind and spirit of Christ, God has proved this way of salvation.

This is how the disciples of Jesus of Nazareth proved his word to be truth, his teachings of this way. What he declared they would receive from God, they received.

The way has not changed. God has not changed. The promise is to all mankind. The way is established for all mankind so all may receive the fulfilling of the promise as the disciples of Jesus of Nazareth did.

True blasphemy is to speak against this word. Those who commit this blasphemy cannot have their sins forgiven and cannot be saved by God unless they repent, which is to change. For this word is the "Holy Spirit" having come from God.

It is written; "The word I speak is not mine but is given me by the father." Jesus of Nazreth did not speak from a mind and spirit created by fellow man nor created by his own imagination. He spoke the word taught him by God. Neither did the other Sons of God. They spoke the word they had been taught by God. They were true minsisters of God ministering the true word from God.

Too often mankind will see a word, hear or read a word, but never look into the word to see the reality it portrays. Words paint pitcures when the words are assembled correctly. By this, a person is able to "see by the eyes of understanding."

When a person possesses wrong understanding of a word, a different picture is seen. Again, many religions use the same scriptures but formulate different beliefs according to different understandings. It depends on what tree they are standing under and what fruit of this tree they are eating. A "tree" in scripture refers to a "family tree." A spiritual tree. Every tree brings forth after its own kind according to the seed in the fruit. The tree coming to be by the seed from God bears the fruit of the Holy Spirit. The "branches" or descendents may or may not depending on whether they remain true or not. "Dead" branches exist with those coming after Jesus of Nazareth and the apostles. Many descendents of this spirital lineage reverted back to religion. Others started their own religion and these are the "dead" branches of the tree God planted.

As God first planted in Adam, who died, so also the second Adam whose seed of Christ has died away from the minds of mankind, for the seed of Christ is the seed Christ receives from God.

Understand, the religious leaders in the day of Jesus of Nazareth did not believe a word he said. It is the same in this day and hour and is the same with those the religious leaders have power over.

Every problem mankind encounters in life would be eradicated if they merely entered into and followed this way established by God. People complain daily, but few take corrective action to change things. Apathy and indifference has set in, in the minds of mankind. They believe every word of every "news" report but reject the truth of God when it comes.

But, in time this will change. When more and more people enter into and follow this way and set an example, and speak the same truth, others will begin to give credence to their word. Only in time will they be a force to be reckoned with and there will be the great conflict between these and the religionists. In the end, they shall prevail and God shall reign as God and Father of mankind once again, as it was in the beginning.















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KOLT4JC
Brother DW, your understanding is strong
and you have great wisdom in your words
but it does not speak of all life as being from GOD.

We are all born spiritually dead by GOD's
grace, having no memory of our beginning
fom the Father.

But GOD knew us all before we were in
our mother's womb.

He knew all of us before we were flesh
because he created us all from his spirit first.

Our creation, as His Children, is why we
"were" separated from GOD and "will"
be reunited with Him.

We are, all of us created in mans' image first,
by virtue of the sins we learn and imitate from men.

But sin is within GOD's design of redemtion.
How else can we learn what is right except by
doing the wrong things of our imagination.

"WE are all made subject to our own vanity,
not willingly, but so that we all might hope in GOD."
Romans chapter 8 verses 20-22

My friend, do not believe that there are those
who do not want to hear the truth, because
the saints and prophets judged unjustly by that
belief, but rather believe that we are always
learning to present the truth to all people.

Not by might of armies, or power of words, or
force of will but by the loving spirit of GOD.

When someone disagrees with the truth...
you haven't made yourself clear!

Kingdom Of Light Traveler
DW Suiter
I understand what you are offering as your beliefs. I have heard these religious teachings.

It is every person's right to choose the life they lead, according to what mind and spirit they possess. Man has been given free will.

As was said; "As a man thinks, so he is."

By your reasoning and logic Jesus of Nazareth did not make himself very clear, when speaking truth, nor did the other Sons of God.

I am curious. From where did you learn these beliefs you offer?

The physical body of mankind was created long ago. However, the spirit is created in each person from the time of physical infancy. The mind of an infant is empty; void of knowledge and understanding. It is created by all that comes into the mind; by inspiration. The spirit may be from man or from God. Those born of the spirit of man may choose to be transformed by God and receive the spirit from God.

We learn right from wrong from the teachings from God. There is no need to experience wrong in order to learn what is right. I do not need to commit a crime in order to learn it is wrong. God is more than able to give understanding. It is not the will of God that mankind experience pain and sorrow.

I recommend asking for and receivng the truth of these matters from God according to the way I have presented.

The only true reincarnation of the spirit is the incarnation of the spirit of God, by the works of God, which is a new spirit with the new mind given by God.

Every person needs the reincarnation of the Holy Spirit from God in order to receive their life from God. Even Jesus of Nazareth received this Holy Spirit from God and was resurrected from death to life by this spirit. He laid down the life man taught him to live and took up the life God taught him to live. So did the other Sons of God.

So must every person if they seek this life from God.

Life and death is of the spirit. The physical body is merely a temporary dwelling place for the soul during the time of growth and development of the mind and spirit. Man cannot possess the life God gives unless they receive this spirit from God, this Word from God that teaches the greater and higher principles that structure this life.

This is the resurrection from death to life by God.

Life, as is written, is to know the father, who is God, and to know the Son.

The Son of God comes to man so that he may have life, for every Son of God teaches the way in and by which mankind receives life from God.

It is this "comforter" that leads man into all truth.

It is the will of God that none persih, but all come into the knowledge of the truth God teaches. It is the will of God that all be born again, dying to the spirit from man and being born of this spirit from God so they need not suffer pain and sorrow in life.

"Mary" is a name of a type and kind of person which means "bitterness and sorrow." Man must come to this state of mind in order to desire to be clean in regards to what man teaches concerning God. When becoming clean, this person is as a virgin, hence the "Virgin Mary" who receives the Word/Seed from God and gives birth to the spiritual Son of God.

Every person is a mother to the self born within. The mind is the womb of this mother. God is Father who places His Seed in this womb, bringing the conception of the Son of God.

Others of fallen mankind receive the seed not of God in this womb and bring forth another self not of God, not the Son of God. His father is not God nor is his teacher God. He is a son of man. A creation of man and the words and teachings of mankind.

The mind is referred to as the "earth" hence the saying "mother earth." It is the place where seed is sown, where "things" grow. It is like a garden, or as a wilderness, depending on from whom and how the seed comes into the mind.

If God plants the seed it is a garden for everything is in a perfect order. If man sows the seed, it is as a wilderness beause of the many varieties of seed from so many different people.

What God plants is good to eat or digest by the mind. The seed in the wilderness is not. Weeds are not good food.

The garden planted by God is the mind in which God plants His Seed/Word. It is the "earth" named in scriptures.

The "earth" already existed before God created Adam, but it was void and empty, and darkness covered this earth, this "land." Mankind has existed in the physical for many, many years. Much longer than six thousand years. However, in the current generation, mankind did not exist as the Son of God until Adam. When Adam died, mankind did not exist as the Son of God until Jesus of Nazareth. What was generated with Adam died away. Regeneration, a new planting, took place with Jesus of Nazareth which has also died away. A new planting has now occured creating a new generation. This generation will not die away. As is written, the Word of God shall do that which He purposed it to do and will not return empty.

When the mind and spirit of Christ returns to mankind, Christ has returned as foretold. As a thief in the night comes and goes unseen while the master of the house sleeps, so also the Son of God comes while man is spiritually asleep and not aware of the coming.

Only those able to see and hear will know he is here. Only by his word is the Holy Spirit manifest in the flesh, to the flesh. Many saw and heard Jesus of Nazareth with their physical eyes and ears but they did not see nor hear the spirit in him. Nor did they recognize the Holy Spirit which was the word he spoke.
KOLT4JC
("DW Suiter":89ea4)
By your reasoning and logic Jesus of Nazareth did not make himself very clear, when speaking truth, nor did the other Sons of God.

Only those able to see and hear will know he is here. Only by his word is the Holy Spirit manifest in the flesh, to the flesh. Many saw and heard Jesus of Nazareth with their physical eyes and ears but they did not see nor hear the spirit in him. Nor did they recognize the Holy Spirit which was the word he spoke.


The Christ/Messiah called Jesus was
the only Son of GOD that knew the
fullness of truth.
He did hide that truth in parables because
He had to die for the world.

The "other Sons Of God" only understood
what was taught to them.
They were not taught the full knowledge
of The Christ.

You should not make the same error
as they did.

They grew frustrated with the people
that didn't hear them and they blamed
them the way a cruel sheppard would
condemn his sheep for going a stray.

As far as where I have learned these things...
the knowledge of GOD and his will for what he
creates is all around us and within us.


What has been made that was not made from GOD?
Light? Darkness? Life? Death?
All of thing are made by Him and are subject
to His will.

It will be the greatest leap in man's spirit
when he realizes he has no will of his own!
There is no free will!
We are either under the will of a limited world
or we are seeking the will of GOD!
We have no free will!

Our choices are made based on input and outcome!
Cause and effect!
When man gains control of what is put in his
spirit/mind, then he will be free to choose!

Who chose what you believe as truth Suiter?
Your words are many DW, and they say much but
they have not embraced all creation which is
and only the cause of GOD.
What is your cause and what effect do you seek?

Yes, our spirit is formed at infancy but there
is as soul as well.

It is King David's soul that he spoke of when
he said, "thou hast known me even before I
was in my mother's womb".

And the scriptures say, the word/truth of GOD
is sharper than any two-edged sword; able
even to divide spirit from soul.

The work GOD has began in man...
He began before the foundation of the world...
it began with man's soul.
And the scripture say we can trust that He
is faithful to see His work completed.

Now, I'm not a scholar of any relgion but isn't it
the soul that has been contended for by
"Satan" and GOD?

Doesn't scripture say the battle for the
soul happens in the spirit/mind of mankind.

Where is the soul from if not from the Father?

And if from the Father, what kind of Father GOD
would allow the soul to be condemned?

That's not Sovereignty!
That's not my Sovereign GOD!

Sure you can lose your soul but, few have
gained an understanding of what that
truly means.

I'll conclude by asking you two simple questions:
If man has free will, can man's will change/thwart the
plans of GOD?
and
If The Christ died for the sins of the world but some
will still be lost in condemnation...did Christ die in
vain?
DW Suiter
You have presented familiar religious doctrines. Familiar spirits of religionists.

The Son of God is a type and kind of person, not one individual person.

The reason why the scriptures relate the disciples declaring; "Now we are the Sons of God." And, "The Sons of God are led by the Spirit of Truth."

Religionists have removed this truth from their doctrines and teachings.

Unless a person is the Son of God, God is not his father.

However, by the free will to choose you have chosen to believe as you do. And yes, by belief in non-truth, people perish and do not conform to the will of God.

Jesus of Nazareth did not "die for our sins" as the falsehood is taught, he died to the sins of this world. He did not pay for the salvation of others. He taught the way of salvation to others which they must follow in order to be saved. Every person must work out their own salvation with God and pay the price demanded by God according to the covenant.

As stated before, mankind is held in death and darkness by false teachings of the religionists.

No person is able to know the truth concerning these matters of God unless they have been taught truth by the Living God, which I have.
And this is the reason I teach the way as Jesus of Nazareth taught this way, so all who desire may know the truth.

It is a fool who creates his own mind by choosing from the words and writings of fellow man, and saying he knows truth. This is self interpretation and self creation of the mind. It is to place self higher than God in the ability to create truth in the mind. It is to deny God and allow the ego of self to prevail as lord.

I have chosen God, honored God, trusted God, placed my faith in God and have not ever been dissapointed. I have asked and received as promised.

My ministry is to teach this way established by God for salvation; as the way to know the truth, exactly as the former Sons of God did, including Jesus of Nazareth. I have proved his words and teachings to be truth by verification from God; by receiving the fulfillment of the promise.

It is written; "The works I do you shall do and even greater works." These words are attributed to Jesus of Nazareth. A subject religionists shy away from and ignore.

The power to do these works comes from God in knowledge, understanding and wisdom; in the mind and spirit of Christ.

The works of Jesus of Nazareth were to preach the gospel; "He hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord."

All Sons of God do these same works.

As the prophet declared of this Messiah; "The spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn"

All Sons of God do these same works. And even greater works than Jesus of Nazareth as written.

It is the mind of mankind, filled with non-truth, that cannot conceive the reality these words portray.

It is false religious doctrine that declares God cannot raise up His servants, ministers, and Sons in this day as in prior days. These are the foolish ones, not knowing God yet declaring what God can and cannot do because of their "beliefs."

Reality exists even when mankind has not conceived the reality. Unbelief does not negate the reality.

"Truth" is any word accurately defining and portraying existing reality. My word is truth and is proved to be truth by experiencing the existing reality it portrays. My word may be proved exactly as I have proved the word of Jesus of Nazareth. By experiencing the reality. By receiving what he declared a person would receive.

But I do not argue nor do I attempt to cause a person to believe. My responsibility is to give the word of truth. It is the responsibility of each person to do whatsoever they desire with this word. The consequences of believing or not believing are the rewards each receives for their choice.

May you seek God and His truth and be set free.
KOLT4JC
I've read through your reply but could not
find your answers to my concluding questions.

If you would like I'll repeat them:

Can mnakind's free will thwart/change the
plans of GOD?
and
since scriptures say the lamb of GOD takes
away the sins of the world...
Was Christ crucified in vain or
will GOD save the world?
DW Suiter
You asked;

"Can mnakind's free will thwart/change the
plans of GOD?
and
since scriptures say the lamb of GOD takes
away the sins of the world...
Was Christ crucified in vain or
will GOD save the world?

Reply;

Mankind's free will can only bring harm to himself, not God nor the plan of God. The plan of God is to return mankind to the relationship he had with God in Adam. God has proclaimed the end from the beginning.

Jesus of Nazareth emptied himself of the sin this world had placed in him. He then received the Holy Spirit from God and was without sin. He layed down the life man taught him to live which was a life of sin and took up the life God gave him which was without sin.

Sin, is to believe a lie. The man known as Jesus of Nazreth was raised in sin by his parents, teachers, friends, relatives, etc; just as man is in this day and hour.

However he sought and found God, asked and received from God the promise, as is written.

Your reasoning and understanding of these matters is based on a foundation of religious teachings.

God will not save the world. In time God creates a new world, or social order, and new heavens; spiritual matters.

Does God save all people? No. Many perish because they have refused to come to God to be saved. The scriptures relate the demise of the unbelievers, liars, etc.

The "Lamb of God" is the new creation in mankind and this is what takes away the sins of this world of mankind for this new creation is what man is transformed into. The old man dies and the new man of God emerges. So goes the sin of the world as the truth of God comes.
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